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Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 13, Issue 12
by Gary Wietgrefe 25 Feb '23

25 Feb '23

SEPARATING MILLET: I started a business in 1990 called Millet Mills which I hulled millet but mainly cleaned for seed. I used a 4-screen Clipper followed by a gravity table. The Clipper was to take out large and small seed and leave the millet. The gravity table sorted by weight. If other seed, weeds, dirt, or trach were approximately the same size and weight, the gravity table was set to select only millet which often was only half the total weight....Gary Wietgrefe On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 5:00 AM <collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space> wrote: > Send Collab mailing list submissions to > collab(a)lists.millets2023.space > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.millets2023.space/mailman/listinfo/collab > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space > > You can reach the person managing the list at > collab-owner(a)lists.millets2023.space > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Collab digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Question re removing lemma & palea in millets (Don Osborn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2023 23:27:39 +0000 > From: Don Osborn <donosborn(a)protonmail.com> > To: collab(a)lists.millets2023.space > Subject: [Collab] Question re removing lemma & palea in millets > Message-ID: > > <GlwYSc7eGOc2TAnDOsmDkpdcPmNcGoVsqBRyJRrvWLuZp9kFsw_NCAqOO8YsdodMmydLBqbbMvp0GZk1iSqMlS9Pv8ufOWpjRxAhW0J1OpA=@ > protonmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > This message (below) was evidently intended for the list, but went to the > admin address. I took the liberty if giving a more precise title. The text > of the email is unchanged, but for removal of the sender?s phone number > (recommemded, since ?ist archives are public). DO > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Di Salvo, Juan I [AGRON]<[disalvoj@i](mailto:disalvoj@iastate.edu > )?u> > > Date: On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 2:50 PM > > Subject: Fwd: Question about millets > > To: collab-owner(a)lists.millets2023.space < > collab-owner(a)lists.millets2023.space> > > Cc: Singh, Asheesh K [AGRON] <[singhak@i](mailto:singhak@iastate.edu)?u> > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I am glad to connect with all of you and eager to learn more about > millets. I wanted to ask for feedback about removing lemma and palea in > millets without damaging the seed. More specifically, foxtail and barnyard > millets. > > > > Have any of you experience in this subject? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Juan Di Salvo Plant Breeding Graduate Student > > > > [Inline image 1] > > > > 1210 Agronomy > > > > 716 Farm House Ln >

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Question re removing lemma & palea in millets
by Don Osborn 24 Feb '23

24 Feb '23

This message (below) was evidently intended for the list, but went to the admin address. I took the liberty if giving a more precise title. The text of the email is unchanged, but for removal of the sender’s phone number (recommemded, since łist archives are public). DO > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Di Salvo, Juan I [AGRON]<[disalvoj@i](mailto:disalvoj@iastate.edu)…u> > Date: On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 2:50 PM > Subject: Fwd: Question about millets > To: collab-owner(a)lists.millets2023.space <collab-owner(a)lists.millets2023.space> > Cc: Singh, Asheesh K [AGRON] <[singhak@i](mailto:singhak@iastate.edu)…u> > > Hello everyone, > > I am glad to connect with all of you and eager to learn more about millets. I wanted to ask for feedback about removing lemma and palea in millets without damaging the seed. More specifically, foxtail and barnyard millets. > > Have any of you experience in this subject? > > Thanks, > > Juan Di Salvo Plant Breeding Graduate Student > > [Inline image 1] > > 1210 Agronomy > > 716 Farm House Ln

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Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 13, Issue 9
by Di Salvo, Juan I [AGRON] 24 Feb '23

24 Feb '23

I think it’s 300 MT and now 5.4MT. Beginning of 80’s more and more land adopted No till System, Soybean production and Roundup Ready herbicide. > El feb. 24, 2023, a la(s) 3:47 p.m., collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space escribió: > > Send Collab mailing list submissions to > collab(a)lists.millets2023.space > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.millets2023.space/mailman/listinfo/collab > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space > > You can reach the person managing the list at > collab-owner(a)lists.millets2023.space > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Collab digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Collab Digest, Vol 13, Issue 7 (Old Andean Billing) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2023 13:47:33 -0800 > From: Old Andean Billing <sergio(a)oldandean.com> > To: "Di Salvo, Juan I [AGRON]" <disalvoj(a)iastate.edu> > Cc: "collab(a)lists.millets2023.space" <collab(a)lists.millets2023.space> > Subject: Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 13, Issue 7 > Message-ID: <A89F2017-4AF4-4C90-A288-9E6A0E868078(a)oldandean.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Wow, am I reading the graph right: It was 300,000 million tons in 1979 and now it?s 5,442 million tons? That is such a strong decline. What happened- did it get replaced by another crop? > > Thanks for any insight on this interesting graph > > > ??Sergio Nunez de Arco > Old ???Andean, Inc. | Formerly known as Andean Naturals, Inc. > 650-303-1780 > >> On Feb 24, 2023, at 1:36 PM, Di Salvo, Juan I [AGRON] via Collab <collab(a)lists.millets2023.space> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> After reading Gary Wietgrefe?s about millet production in Argentina, >> I was surprised because it?s my home country but did not know that there used to be a production site. >> So I accessed to the database of the Agriculture ministery and extracted the information to do the figure below. >> <image003.png> >> >> https://datos.magyp.gob.ar/dataset/60a9e1ed-071e-4a65-80a7-b1dc63827ab4/arc… <https://datos.magyp.gob.ar/dataset/60a9e1ed-071e-4a65-80a7-b1dc63827ab4/arc…> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> Juan Di Salvo Plant Breeding Graduate Student >> >> >> >> 1210 Agronomy >> >> 716 Farm House Ln >> >> P +1 612 368-2915 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Collab <collab-bounces(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space>> On Behalf Of collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab-request@lists.millets2023.space> >> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 10:32 PM >> To: collab(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> >> Subject: Collab Digest, Vol 13, Issue 7 >> >> Send Collab mailing list submissions to >> collab(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.millets2023.space/mailman/listinfo/collab <https://lists.millets2023.space/mailman/listinfo/collab> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab-request@lists.millets2023.space> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> collab-owner(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab-owner@lists.millets2023.space> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Collab digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. "Millets and Their Role in Early Agriculture" (plus early >> dissemination) (Don Osborn) >> 2. Re: "Millets and Their Role in Early Agriculture" (plus early >> dissemination) (Don Osborn) >> 3. Re: Collab Digest, Vol 13, Issue 6 (Gary Wietgrefe) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 13:57:04 -0500 >> From: Don Osborn <don(a)milletsalliance.org <mailto:don@milletsalliance.org>> >> To: collab(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> >> Subject: [Collab] "Millets and Their Role in Early Agriculture" (plus >> early dissemination) >> Message-ID: >> <CA+RHibX4N-4tEZaceucsd==xWsksSeobz_3CP2UgXN4AkK3j8Q(a)mail.gmail.com <mailto:CA+RHibX4N-4tEZaceucsd==xWsksSeobz_3CP2UgXN4AkK3j8Q@mail.gmail.com>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Further to the theme of the February Millets Webinar - millets as "ancient grains," and how they were a lot more important in much of the world's early agriculture than was once thought - here's a paper by two noted archaeobotanists: >> >> Steven A. Weber and Dorian Q. Fuller, "Millets and Their Role in Early Agriculture," Pragdhara, No. 18, 2007. (Two links, /1 /2) >> >> This article surveys orins of millets, with mention of then current research questions, There is also discussion of how millets - being smaller than major cereal grains - did not emerge in early analysis of archaeological digs, and how a later technique involving floating, revealed the presence of many small grains identified (to the extent possible) as millets. There are tables, illustrations, and a map, situating the ancient origins of various millets across the globe. (That map is *not* the one >> attached.) >> >> And here's another of possible interest, that treats all domesticated crops in the grass family, including millets. It also includes a map of origins of these plants, altho using common names - 18 of 28 are millets. >> >> Gl?min, Sylvain, and Thomas Bataillon. (2009) "A comparative view of the evolution of grasses under domestication." New Phytologist 183: 273?290 (Also two links, /3 /4) >> >> Finally, a quick note on dissemination. The distribution of cultivation of many millets remained up until relatively recently limited to the immediate regions in which they were domesticated. However, a few, including notably the "big 5" - sorghum, pearl millet, foxtail millet, proso millet, and finger millet - were disseminated very early in prehistory, and relatively >> quickly: Foxtail and proso west and south across Eurasia, and sorghum, pearl, and finger, south in Africa and east to south & southeast Asia. The Indian subcontinent has since been a kind of "crossroads" of millets - its own domesticates, plus the big 5 as I'm calling them. >> >> Please let us know if you have other sources to recommend. >> >> Don >> >> Don Osborn, PhD >> (East Lansing, MI, US) >> North American Millets Alliance >> don(a)milletsalliance.org <mailto:don@milletsalliance.org> >> >> Notes: >> 1. >> https://www.academia.edu/322764/Millets_and_Their_Role_In_Early_Agriculture <https://www.academia.edu/322764/Millets_and_Their_Role_In_Early_Agriculture> >> 2. >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_role_i… <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_role_i…> >> 3. >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_role_i… <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_role_i…> >> 4. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2009.02884.x <https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2009.02884.x> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/attachments/20230223/be6b7… <https://lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/attachments/20230223/be6b7…>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 14:11:12 -0500 >> From: Don Osborn <don(a)milletsalliance.org <mailto:don@milletsalliance.org>> >> To: collab(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> >> Subject: Re: [Collab] "Millets and Their Role in Early Agriculture" >> (plus early dissemination) >> Message-ID: >> <CA+RHibVMVp+v8=oxzzcYqy7JcVA2b4-EF0QpaAhRLTCahg3xGw(a)mail.gmail.com <mailto:CA+RHibVMVp+v8=oxzzcYqy7JcVA2b4-EF0QpaAhRLTCahg3xGw@mail.gmail.com>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Two errors - from editing in a hurry (never be in too much of a hurry, the saying goes): >> >> I did not attach a map, and neglected to delete reference to same. I do have a PPT presentation on mapping the origins of millets that I hope to make available later. PPT is useful, I find, for combining images with short descriptions in a sequenced format. >> >> For note #3, use https://hal.inrae.fr/hal-02666409 <https://hal.inrae.fr/hal-02666409> (which has an outlink). >> The ResearchGate page for the second article requires request of the paper to view: >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/26281428_A_comparative_view_of_the… <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/26281428_A_comparative_view_of_the…> >> >> DO, EL, MI, US >> NAMA >> >> >>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 1:57 PM Don Osborn <don(a)milletsalliance.org <mailto:don@milletsalliance.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Further to the theme of the February Millets Webinar - millets as >>> "ancient grains," and how they were a lot more important in much of >>> the world's early agriculture than was once thought - here's a paper >>> by two noted archaeobotanists: >>> >>> Steven A. Weber and Dorian Q. Fuller, "Millets and Their Role in Early >>> Agriculture," Pragdhara, No. 18, 2007. (Two links, /1 /2) >>> >>> This article surveys orins of millets, with mention of then current >>> research questions, There is also discussion of how millets - being >>> smaller than major cereal grains - did not emerge in early analysis of >>> archaeological digs, and how a later technique involving floating, >>> revealed the presence of many small grains identified (to the extent >>> possible) as millets. There are tables, illustrations, and a map, >>> situating the ancient origins of various millets across the globe. >>> (That map is *not* the one >>> attached.) >>> >>> And here's another of possible interest, that treats all domesticated >>> crops in the grass family, including millets. It also includes a map >>> of origins of these plants, altho using common names - 18 of 28 are millets. >>> >>> Gl?min, Sylvain, and Thomas Bataillon. (2009) "A comparative view of >>> the evolution of grasses under domestication." New Phytologist 183: >>> 273?290 (Also two links, /3 /4) >>> >>> Finally, a quick note on dissemination. The distribution of >>> cultivation of many millets remained up until relatively recently >>> limited to the immediate regions in which they were domesticated. >>> However, a few, including notably the "big 5" - sorghum, pearl millet, >>> foxtail millet, proso millet, and finger millet - were disseminated >>> very early in prehistory, and relatively >>> quickly: Foxtail and proso west and south across Eurasia, and sorghum, >>> pearl, and finger, south in Africa and east to south & southeast Asia. >>> The Indian subcontinent has since been a kind of "crossroads" of >>> millets - its own domesticates, plus the big 5 as I'm calling them. >>> >>> Please let us know if you have other sources to recommend. >>> >>> Don >>> >>> Don Osborn, PhD >>> (East Lansing, MI, US) >>> North American Millets Alliance >>> don(a)milletsalliance.org <mailto:don@milletsalliance.org> >>> >>> Notes: >>> 1. >>> https://www.academia.edu/322764/Millets_and_Their_Role_In_Early_Agricu <https://www.academia.edu/322764/Millets_and_Their_Role_In_Early_Agricu> >>> lture >>> 2. >>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_r <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_r> >>> ole_in_early_agriculture >>> 3. >>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_r <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_r> >>> ole_in_early_agriculture 4. >>> https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2009.02884.x <https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2009.02884.x> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/attachments/20230223/dfe0a… <https://lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/attachments/20230223/dfe0a…>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 21:31:52 -0700 >> From: Gary Wietgrefe <gww374(a)gmail.com <mailto:gww374@gmail.com>> >> To: collab(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> >> Subject: Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 13, Issue 6 >> Message-ID: >> <CAMrBKxaYN3AkFrfHUo0npz7XJPv=6xmYddWHYyaL-WLtpYeYBA(a)mail.gmail.com <mailto:CAMrBKxaYN3AkFrfHUo0npz7XJPv=6xmYddWHYyaL-WLtpYeYBA@mail.gmail.com>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> You wondered if Argentina was back into the export market. NO. They produce and export an insignificant portion of the world's millet since 1980. That was absolutely my concern in the late 1970s for U.S. proso, because once a country loses its internal seed suppliers, farmers, and marketing system, it is extremely difficult to reestablish production. >> When farmers told me in late fall of 1978 that they could not get any price, $0.00, for their white proso, I knew the U.S. was on the verge of losing proso as an alternative crop. Therefore, my best alternative was to replace Argentina's dull colored "Yellow Plata" with U.S. white proso in the export market at Argentine prices. After a couple years, there was no incentive for Argentine farmers to plant their proso. Their market died. >> How? See Table 35 page 76 (below) of my book Proso Millet: A Trade Summary. >> 1979 Showed record percentage as exports which were accumulated from 1977, 1978, and 1979 production. Since a white proso export market was established in 1979, exporters and foreign importers created demand allowing U.S. farmers to produce for what became an established market. >> [image: image.png] >> See figure 15 page 79 which explains that farmers, nor buyers, knew that U.S. excess millet supplies had been lowered significantly. As a result, farmers planted little proso in 1980. When buyers for exporters in the fall of 1980 realized they could not fill contracts, the price shot up. That had to happen in order to perpetuate production thereafter. (Remember, it was the fall of 1983, as a grain terminal market manager,that I accumulated and exported the first and only unit train of U.S. proso.) >> >> My drive to develop proso millet market links, did so much damage to Argentine production that growers and exporters lost incentive. Their market died. The same thing can happen in any country on any crop! >> >> Here is publicly available information from Millet Production in Argentina >> - Markets, Suppliers and Exporters (selinawamucii.com <http://selinawamucii.com/>) <https://www.selinawamucii.com/insights/market/argentina/millet/ <https://www.selinawamucii.com/insights/market/argentina/millet/>>. >> [image: image.png] >> I am happy that you and others in NAMA are realizing the importance of millets as a U.S. crop rotation alternative.....Gary >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:00 AM <collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab-request@lists.millets2023.space>> >> wrote: >> >>> Send Collab mailing list submissions to >>> collab(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> https://lists.millets2023.space/mailman/listinfo/collab <https://lists.millets2023.space/mailman/listinfo/collab> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab-request@lists.millets2023.space> >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> collab-owner(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab-owner@lists.millets2023.space> >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Collab digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Gary Wietgrefe on Proso Millet (Don Osborn) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 19:43:52 -0500 >>> From: Don Osborn <don(a)milletsalliance.org <mailto:don@milletsalliance.org>> >>> To: Gary Wietgrefe <gww374(a)gmail.com <mailto:gww374@gmail.com>> >>> Cc: collab(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> >>> Subject: Re: [Collab] Gary Wietgrefe on Proso Millet >>> Message-ID: >>> < >>> CA+RHibW+WNNOqVcccVaNTq_NFZVtH0VCjdU-3zB3+civx0XePA(a)mail.gmail.com <mailto:CA+RHibW+WNNOqVcccVaNTq_NFZVtH0VCjdU-3zB3+civx0XePA@mail.gmail.com>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Thank you, Gary. I appreciate your telling us more of your experience >>> with millets. Some interesting details there (I wonder if Argentina >>> has gotten back into the millets exporting market?). >>> >>> I'll be posting separately a request from the FAO for millets stories, >>> and imagine that they would be interested in what you have to say. >>> >>> In the meantime, I'd encourage other subscribers (we are almost 50 >>> now) to share something about their interest in and work with millets >>> - as well as questions you may have about these grains or any aspect >>> of their cultivation and use. >>> >>> Best to you and all, >>> Don >>> >>> DO, EL, MI, US >>> NAMA >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 2:12 PM Gary Wietgrefe <gww374(a)gmail.com <mailto:gww374@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you for investigating my earlier millet work. No, I have not >>> updated >>>> either Proso Millet: A Trade Summary nor Proso Millet: A Farmer's Guide. >>>> >>>> Let me give you a brief background. We grew millet on our farm (near >>>> Ipswich, Edmunds Co., SD) which was mainly planted in slough areas >>>> that were too wet to plant to small grains and corn in spring. >>>> Foxtail millets we usually cut for hay. Fast forward. In 1978 I was hired by the SD Dept. >>>> of Agriculture in a new "Marketing Division" established earlier >>>> that >>> year >>>> by the SD Legislature. The six of us received calls, telexes, and >>>> letters from all over, especially farmers struggling with low commodity prices. >>> One >>>> day our boss, Marketing Director Dale Gullickson, received a call >>>> from a farmer who could not get anybody to pay him anything for his >>>> proso millet grain. $0.00. Our boss hollers back to our offices and >>>> asks, "Anybody >>> know >>>> anything about millet?" I said, "We grew it occasionally on our farm." >>> Mr. >>>> Gullickson responded, "You're the millet guy." For the next four >>>> years I handled all millet inquiries. Better yet, having access to >>>> our Department library, and the USDA, and US Commerce data, I >>>> realized millets were surviving on a thin, unorganized thread >>>> stringing together a few millet producers in four states (SD, ND, >>>> NE, an CO) to a handful of seed companies, grain elevators, and >>>> birdseed packagers. To summarize, I flew >>> to >>>> Winnipeg, met with a company that offered $3.70/cwt to anybody >>>> (producer, elevator, trucker) that could get white proso to Duluth, >>>> MN before freeze-up. That two-hour visit established a price and a >>>> continuous international demand for proso. By Dec. 1981 after >>>> leading a USDA >>> sponsored >>>> trade team to Europe, the U.S. was established as the primary >>>> supplier of millets to Europe which by then had basically driven >>>> Argentina out of production. (Argentine Yellow Plata, likewise had >>>> few producers, few buyers, and few exporters that did not survive >>>> the new U.S. organized production and marketing.) Visiting the Rotterdam Grain Exchange in Dec. >>>> 1981 the only millet traded on their Floor (where actual millet >>>> samples were displayed) was "Dakota White Proso" and "Colorado White >>>> Proso." The difference? Colorado was a brighter white. Dakota white >>>> proso often gets fall rains after windrowing giving the seed coat a grayish tint. >>>> >>>> In January 1983 I left the Governor's Office of Economic Development >>>> and helped start what became (at the time) South Dakota's largest >>>> grain terminal and SD's largest millet buyer. To date, I believe I >>>> am the only person that ever put together a unit train of millet. >>>> Being, in effect, >>> the >>>> U.S. "millet guy", for many years I answered calls and millet letter >>>> inquiries from around the world. That is why I wrote "Proso Millet: >>>> A >>> Trade >>>> Summary." Thereafter, when I made a call or returned a letter, I'd >>> mention, >>>> "I have a millet marketing book, if you are interested." I printed >>>> 500 copies of that Trade Summary and charged $100/copy (for the >>>> first copy >>> and >>>> $17/each for additional). Farmers said it was fine to have a millet >>>> marketing book, but they needed a millet production guide. So in >>>> 1990, using my agronomic experience, I wrote and released Proso >>>> Millet: A Farmer's Guide. Within a couple years I had those books in >>>> twenty- some countries. Since they were both hand written, I hired a >>>> lady that could read my writing and she put them on floppy discs for >>>> printing. By 2016 I had been basically out of the Trade Summary for >>>> years, and had a couple hundred Farmer's Guides remaining, so I >>>> hired a company to convert them >>> to >>>> digital and made both books available on ResearchGate for free. Now >>>> they are accessible all over the world and downloaded every week >>>> (mainly the Farmer's Guide). >>>> >>>> I have four copies of Proso Millet: A Trade Summary remaining for >>>> $100/each. The fifth to last I sold to a California book collector >>>> last summer. I have about 180 left of Proso Millet: A Farmer's Guide >>>> which I >>> get >>>> $15/each and they can be ordered from my website Culture, Learning, >>>> and Adventure Books (relatingtoancients.com <http://relatingtoancients.com/>) >>>> <https://www.relatingtoancients.com/ <https://www.relatingtoancients.com/>>. >>>> >>>> If you want a 2 1/2 minute diversion, I published a YouTube video >>>> after touring a Monarch butterfly winter sanctuary in Mexico this >>>> week. I tied in my poem Migrating Monarchs with their winter >>>> sanctuary and ended with a brief view of my Ipswich, SD farm. See >>> https://youtu.be/RBU6bhY-xug <https://youtu.be/RBU6bhY-xug> >>>> . >>>> >>>> Historic local production and international millet data as I printed >>>> in the Trade Summary, is even more difficult to get now. I am not >>>> aware of anyone else who has put in effort to independently publish >>>> any millet >>> data. >>>> >>>> Sorry for the long answer to your short question. Let me know if you >>>> have others....Gary Wietgrefe >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 10:33 AM Don Osborn >>>> <don(a)milletsalliance.org <mailto:don@milletsalliance.org>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you, Gary, for this posting about your work on proso and >>>>> other millets. Much information here, and I look forward to delving >>>>> into some >>> of >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> I had the chance to peruse your 1989 book, "Proso MIllet: A Trade >>>>> Summary" (140 pp.),/1 /2 and found it to be packed with information >>>>> and observations. I'm not aware of how often this has been >>>>> referenced in >>> later >>>>> work on proso or other millets (which are mentioned), but it merits >>>>> attention for anyone researching the evolution and future of >>>>> millets in North America (noting also mentions of other millets and other regions). >>>>> Have you done any revisions or updates to this work? >>>>> >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Don >>>>> >>>>> DO, EL, MI, US >>>>> NAMA >>>>> >>>>> Notes: >>>>> 1. >>>>> >>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284179731_Proso_Millet_A_Trad <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284179731_Proso_Millet_A_Trad> >>> e_Summary >>>>> 2. Noting that this book, which is listed as self-published, is >>>>> apparently on the shelf in only 2 university libraries, in MN & SD: >>>>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/19790852 <https://www.worldcat.org/title/19790852> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:50 AM Gary Wietgrefe via Collab < >>>>> collab(a)lists.millets2023.space <mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This millet collaboration is exciting! For many decades I have >>>>>> been trying to keep millet, especially proso, a viable crop. I'll >>>>>> skip the earlier years, and rather than summarize my millet books, >>>>>> research, and videos, I encourage you to access them for free at >>>>>> ResearchGate and >>> YouTube >>>>>> links below. >>>>>> ResearchGate >>>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gary-Wietgrefe/research <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gary-Wietgrefe/research>> >>>>>> --1989-book: Proso Millet: A Trade Summary >>>>>> --1990-book: How to Produce Proso Millet: A Farmer's Guide >>>>>> --2006-research in Turkey: Effect of Seeding Rate and Nitrogen >>>>>> Fertilization on Proso Millet Under Dryland and Irrigated >>>>>> Conditions --2022--research in Mongolia: Ancient Proso Millet and >>>>>> the Twentieth-Century Survival of Mongolia >>>>>> (12) wietgrefe millet - YouTube >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wietgrefe+millet <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wietgrefe+millet>> >>>>>> --2021--video: Proso Millet: Preparing to Harvest >>>>>> --2021--video: Harvesting Proso Millet for High Quality Food >>>>>> --2022--video: How to Produce Proso Millet: Seed to Germination >>>>>> >>>>>> I look forward to learning more about other millet efforts....Gary >>>>>> Wietgrefe >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Author, Gary W. 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Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 13, Issue 7
by Di Salvo, Juan I [AGRON] 24 Feb '23

24 Feb '23

Hi All, After reading Gary Wietgrefe's about millet production in Argentina, I was surprised because it's my home country but did not know that there used to be a production site. So I accessed to the database of the Agriculture ministery and extracted the information to do the figure below. [cid:image003.png@01D94865.B80A7490] https://datos.magyp.gob.ar/dataset/60a9e1ed-071e-4a65-80a7-b1dc63827ab4/arc… Best regards, Juan Di Salvo Plant Breeding Graduate Student 1210 Agronomy 716 Farm House Ln P +1 612 368-2915 -----Original Message----- From: Collab <collab-bounces(a)lists.millets2023.space> On Behalf Of collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 10:32 PM To: collab(a)lists.millets2023.space Subject: Collab Digest, Vol 13, Issue 7 Send Collab mailing list submissions to collab(a)lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.millets2023.space/mailman/listinfo/collab or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab-request@lists.millets2023.space> You can reach the person managing the list at collab-owner(a)lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab-owner@lists.millets2023.space> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Collab digest..." Today's Topics: 1. "Millets and Their Role in Early Agriculture" (plus early dissemination) (Don Osborn) 2. Re: "Millets and Their Role in Early Agriculture" (plus early dissemination) (Don Osborn) 3. Re: Collab Digest, Vol 13, Issue 6 (Gary Wietgrefe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 13:57:04 -0500 From: Don Osborn <don(a)milletsalliance.org<mailto:don@milletsalliance.org>> To: collab(a)lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> Subject: [Collab] "Millets and Their Role in Early Agriculture" (plus early dissemination) Message-ID: <CA+RHibX4N-4tEZaceucsd==xWsksSeobz_3CP2UgXN4AkK3j8Q(a)mail.gmail.com<mailto:CA+RHibX4N-4tEZaceucsd==xWsksSeobz_3CP2UgXN4AkK3j8Q@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Further to the theme of the February Millets Webinar - millets as "ancient grains," and how they were a lot more important in much of the world's early agriculture than was once thought - here's a paper by two noted archaeobotanists: Steven A. Weber and Dorian Q. Fuller, "Millets and Their Role in Early Agriculture," Pragdhara, No. 18, 2007. (Two links, /1 /2) This article surveys orins of millets, with mention of then current research questions, There is also discussion of how millets - being smaller than major cereal grains - did not emerge in early analysis of archaeological digs, and how a later technique involving floating, revealed the presence of many small grains identified (to the extent possible) as millets. There are tables, illustrations, and a map, situating the ancient origins of various millets across the globe. (That map is *not* the one attached.) And here's another of possible interest, that treats all domesticated crops in the grass family, including millets. It also includes a map of origins of these plants, altho using common names - 18 of 28 are millets. Gl?min, Sylvain, and Thomas Bataillon. (2009) "A comparative view of the evolution of grasses under domestication." New Phytologist 183: 273?290 (Also two links, /3 /4) Finally, a quick note on dissemination. The distribution of cultivation of many millets remained up until relatively recently limited to the immediate regions in which they were domesticated. However, a few, including notably the "big 5" - sorghum, pearl millet, foxtail millet, proso millet, and finger millet - were disseminated very early in prehistory, and relatively quickly: Foxtail and proso west and south across Eurasia, and sorghum, pearl, and finger, south in Africa and east to south & southeast Asia. The Indian subcontinent has since been a kind of "crossroads" of millets - its own domesticates, plus the big 5 as I'm calling them. Please let us know if you have other sources to recommend. Don Don Osborn, PhD (East Lansing, MI, US) North American Millets Alliance don(a)milletsalliance.org<mailto:don@milletsalliance.org> Notes: 1. https://www.academia.edu/322764/Millets_and_Their_Role_In_Early_Agriculture 2. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_role_i… 3. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_role_i… 4. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2009.02884.x

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Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 13, Issue 6
by Gary Wietgrefe 23 Feb '23

23 Feb '23

You wondered if Argentina was back into the export market. NO. They produce and export an insignificant portion of the world's millet since 1980. That was absolutely my concern in the late 1970s for U.S. proso, because once a country loses its internal seed suppliers, farmers, and marketing system, it is extremely difficult to reestablish production. When farmers told me in late fall of 1978 that they could not get any price, $0.00, for their white proso, I knew the U.S. was on the verge of losing proso as an alternative crop. Therefore, my best alternative was to replace Argentina's dull colored "Yellow Plata" with U.S. white proso in the export market at Argentine prices. After a couple years, there was no incentive for Argentine farmers to plant their proso. Their market died. How? See Table 35 page 76 (below) of my book Proso Millet: A Trade Summary. 1979 Showed record percentage as exports which were accumulated from 1977, 1978, and 1979 production. Since a white proso export market was established in 1979, exporters and foreign importers created demand allowing U.S. farmers to produce for what became an established market. [image: image.png] See figure 15 page 79 which explains that farmers, nor buyers, knew that U.S. excess millet supplies had been lowered significantly. As a result, farmers planted little proso in 1980. When buyers for exporters in the fall of 1980 realized they could not fill contracts, the price shot up. That had to happen in order to perpetuate production thereafter. (Remember, it was the fall of 1983, as a grain terminal market manager,that I accumulated and exported the first and only unit train of U.S. proso.) My drive to develop proso millet market links, did so much damage to Argentine production that growers and exporters lost incentive. Their market died. The same thing can happen in any country on any crop! Here is publicly available information from Millet Production in Argentina - Markets, Suppliers and Exporters (selinawamucii.com) <https://www.selinawamucii.com/insights/market/argentina/millet/>. [image: image.png] I am happy that you and others in NAMA are realizing the importance of millets as a U.S. crop rotation alternative.....Gary On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:00 AM <collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space> wrote: > Send Collab mailing list submissions to > collab(a)lists.millets2023.space > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.millets2023.space/mailman/listinfo/collab > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > collab-request(a)lists.millets2023.space > > You can reach the person managing the list at > collab-owner(a)lists.millets2023.space > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Collab digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Gary Wietgrefe on Proso Millet (Don Osborn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 19:43:52 -0500 > From: Don Osborn <don(a)milletsalliance.org> > To: Gary Wietgrefe <gww374(a)gmail.com> > Cc: collab(a)lists.millets2023.space > Subject: Re: [Collab] Gary Wietgrefe on Proso Millet > Message-ID: > < > CA+RHibW+WNNOqVcccVaNTq_NFZVtH0VCjdU-3zB3+civx0XePA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you, Gary. I appreciate your telling us more of your experience with > millets. Some interesting details there (I wonder if Argentina has gotten > back into the millets exporting market?). > > I'll be posting separately a request from the FAO for millets stories, and > imagine that they would be interested in what you have to say. > > In the meantime, I'd encourage other subscribers (we are almost 50 now) to > share something about their interest in and work with millets - as well as > questions you may have about these grains or any aspect of their > cultivation and use. > > Best to you and all, > Don > > DO, EL, MI, US > NAMA > > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 2:12 PM Gary Wietgrefe <gww374(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thank you for investigating my earlier millet work. No, I have not > updated > > either Proso Millet: A Trade Summary nor Proso Millet: A Farmer's Guide. > > > > Let me give you a brief background. We grew millet on our farm (near > > Ipswich, Edmunds Co., SD) which was mainly planted in slough areas that > > were too wet to plant to small grains and corn in spring. Foxtail millets > > we usually cut for hay. Fast forward. In 1978 I was hired by the SD Dept. > > of Agriculture in a new "Marketing Division" established earlier that > year > > by the SD Legislature. The six of us received calls, telexes, and letters > > from all over, especially farmers struggling with low commodity prices. > One > > day our boss, Marketing Director Dale Gullickson, received a call from a > > farmer who could not get anybody to pay him anything for his proso millet > > grain. $0.00. Our boss hollers back to our offices and asks, "Anybody > know > > anything about millet?" I said, "We grew it occasionally on our farm." > Mr. > > Gullickson responded, "You're the millet guy." For the next four years I > > handled all millet inquiries. Better yet, having access to our Department > > library, and the USDA, and US Commerce data, I realized millets were > > surviving on a thin, unorganized thread stringing together a few millet > > producers in four states (SD, ND, NE, an CO) to a handful of seed > > companies, grain elevators, and birdseed packagers. To summarize, I flew > to > > Winnipeg, met with a company that offered $3.70/cwt to anybody (producer, > > elevator, trucker) that could get white proso to Duluth, MN before > > freeze-up. That two-hour visit established a price and a continuous > > international demand for proso. By Dec. 1981 after leading a USDA > sponsored > > trade team to Europe, the U.S. was established as the primary supplier of > > millets to Europe which by then had basically driven Argentina out of > > production. (Argentine Yellow Plata, likewise had few producers, few > > buyers, and few exporters that did not survive the new U.S. organized > > production and marketing.) Visiting the Rotterdam Grain Exchange in Dec. > > 1981 the only millet traded on their Floor (where actual millet samples > > were displayed) was "Dakota White Proso" and "Colorado White Proso." The > > difference? Colorado was a brighter white. Dakota white proso often gets > > fall rains after windrowing giving the seed coat a grayish tint. > > > > In January 1983 I left the Governor's Office of Economic Development and > > helped start what became (at the time) South Dakota's largest grain > > terminal and SD's largest millet buyer. To date, I believe I am the only > > person that ever put together a unit train of millet. Being, in effect, > the > > U.S. "millet guy", for many years I answered calls and millet letter > > inquiries from around the world. That is why I wrote "Proso Millet: A > Trade > > Summary." Thereafter, when I made a call or returned a letter, I'd > mention, > > "I have a millet marketing book, if you are interested." I printed 500 > > copies of that Trade Summary and charged $100/copy (for the first copy > and > > $17/each for additional). Farmers said it was fine to have a millet > > marketing book, but they needed a millet production guide. So in 1990, > > using my agronomic experience, I wrote and released Proso Millet: A > > Farmer's Guide. Within a couple years I had those books in twenty- some > > countries. Since they were both hand written, I hired a lady that could > > read my writing and she put them on floppy discs for printing. By 2016 I > > had been basically out of the Trade Summary for years, and had a couple > > hundred Farmer's Guides remaining, so I hired a company to convert them > to > > digital and made both books available on ResearchGate for free. Now they > > are accessible all over the world and downloaded every week (mainly the > > Farmer's Guide). > > > > I have four copies of Proso Millet: A Trade Summary remaining for > > $100/each. The fifth to last I sold to a California book collector last > > summer. I have about 180 left of Proso Millet: A Farmer's Guide which I > get > > $15/each and they can be ordered from my website Culture, Learning, and > > Adventure Books (relatingtoancients.com) > > <https://www.relatingtoancients.com/>. > > > > If you want a 2 1/2 minute diversion, I published a YouTube video after > > touring a Monarch butterfly winter sanctuary in Mexico this week. I > > tied in my poem Migrating Monarchs with their winter sanctuary and ended > > with a brief view of my Ipswich, SD farm. See > https://youtu.be/RBU6bhY-xug > > . > > > > Historic local production and international millet data as I printed in > > the Trade Summary, is even more difficult to get now. I am not aware of > > anyone else who has put in effort to independently publish any millet > data. > > > > Sorry for the long answer to your short question. Let me know if you have > > others....Gary Wietgrefe > > > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 10:33 AM Don Osborn <don(a)milletsalliance.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Thank you, Gary, for this posting about your work on proso and other > >> millets. Much information here, and I look forward to delving into some > of > >> it. > >> > >> I had the chance to peruse your 1989 book, "Proso MIllet: A Trade > >> Summary" (140 pp.),/1 /2 and found it to be packed with information and > >> observations. I'm not aware of how often this has been referenced in > later > >> work on proso or other millets (which are mentioned), but it merits > >> attention for anyone researching the evolution and future of millets in > >> North America (noting also mentions of other millets and other regions). > >> Have you done any revisions or updates to this work? > >> > >> All the best, > >> Don > >> > >> DO, EL, MI, US > >> NAMA > >> > >> Notes: > >> 1. > >> > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284179731_Proso_Millet_A_Trade_Sum… > >> 2. Noting that this book, which is listed as self-published, is > >> apparently on the shelf in only 2 university libraries, in MN & SD: > >> https://www.worldcat.org/title/19790852 > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:50 AM Gary Wietgrefe via Collab < > >> collab(a)lists.millets2023.space> wrote: > >> > >>> This millet collaboration is exciting! For many decades I have been > >>> trying to keep millet, especially proso, a viable crop. I'll skip the > >>> earlier years, and rather than summarize my millet books, research, and > >>> videos, I encourage you to access them for free at ResearchGate and > YouTube > >>> links below. > >>> ResearchGate > >>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gary-Wietgrefe/research> > >>> --1989-book: Proso Millet: A Trade Summary > >>> --1990-book: How to Produce Proso Millet: A Farmer's Guide > >>> --2006-research in Turkey: Effect of Seeding Rate and Nitrogen > >>> Fertilization on Proso Millet Under Dryland and Irrigated Conditions > >>> --2022--research in Mongolia: Ancient Proso Millet and the > >>> Twentieth-Century Survival of Mongolia > >>> (12) wietgrefe millet - YouTube > >>> <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wietgrefe+millet> > >>> --2021--video: Proso Millet: Preparing to Harvest > >>> --2021--video: Harvesting Proso Millet for High Quality Food > >>> --2022--video: How to Produce Proso Millet: Seed to Germination > >>> > >>> I look forward to learning more about other millet efforts....Gary > >>> Wietgrefe > >>> -- > >>> Author, Gary W. Wietgrefe, > >>> https://www.RelatingtoAncients.com/ > >>> *Destination North Pole--5,000 km by bicycle* is an exciting, > >>> endearing, humorous, dangerous and sometimes quirky travel adventure. > Hardcover, > >>> paperback and e-books are available on Amazon or other on-line > retailers. > >>> My other books tie education, school system, parenting, technology, and > >>> business with 21st century culture and learning. > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Collab mailing list > >>> Collab(a)lists.millets2023.space > >>> https://lists.millets2023.space/mailman/listinfo/collab > >>> > >> > > > > -- > > Author, Gary W. Wietgrefe, > > https://www.RelatingtoAncients.com/ > > *Destination North Pole--5,000 km by bicycle* is an exciting, endearing, > > humorous, dangerous and sometimes quirky travel adventure. Hardcover, > > paperback and e-books are available on Amazon or other on-line retailers. > > My other books tie education, school system, parenting, technology, and > > business with 21st century culture and learning. > > >

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"Millets and Their Role in Early Agriculture" (plus early dissemination)
by Don Osborn 23 Feb '23

23 Feb '23

Further to the theme of the February Millets Webinar - millets as "ancient grains," and how they were a lot more important in much of the world's early agriculture than was once thought - here's a paper by two noted archaeobotanists: Steven A. Weber and Dorian Q. Fuller, "Millets and Their Role in Early Agriculture," Pragdhara, No. 18, 2007. (Two links, /1 /2) This article surveys orins of millets, with mention of then current research questions, There is also discussion of how millets - being smaller than major cereal grains - did not emerge in early analysis of archaeological digs, and how a later technique involving floating, revealed the presence of many small grains identified (to the extent possible) as millets. There are tables, illustrations, and a map, situating the ancient origins of various millets across the globe. (That map is *not* the one attached.) And here's another of possible interest, that treats all domesticated crops in the grass family, including millets. It also includes a map of origins of these plants, altho using common names - 18 of 28 are millets. Glémin, Sylvain, and Thomas Bataillon. (2009) "A comparative view of the evolution of grasses under domestication." New Phytologist 183: 273–290 (Also two links, /3 /4) Finally, a quick note on dissemination. The distribution of cultivation of many millets remained up until relatively recently limited to the immediate regions in which they were domesticated. However, a few, including notably the "big 5" - sorghum, pearl millet, foxtail millet, proso millet, and finger millet - were disseminated very early in prehistory, and relatively quickly: Foxtail and proso west and south across Eurasia, and sorghum, pearl, and finger, south in Africa and east to south & southeast Asia. The Indian subcontinent has since been a kind of "crossroads" of millets - its own domesticates, plus the big 5 as I'm calling them. Please let us know if you have other sources to recommend. Don Don Osborn, PhD (East Lansing, MI, US) North American Millets Alliance don(a)milletsalliance.org Notes: 1. https://www.academia.edu/322764/Millets_and_Their_Role_In_Early_Agriculture 2. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_role_i… 3. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234128682_Millets_and_their_role_i… 4. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2009.02884.x

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Gary Wietgrefe on Proso Millet
by Gary Wietgrefe 22 Feb '23

22 Feb '23

This millet collaboration is exciting! For many decades I have been trying to keep millet, especially proso, a viable crop. I'll skip the earlier years, and rather than summarize my millet books, research, and videos, I encourage you to access them for free at ResearchGate and YouTube links below. ResearchGate <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gary-Wietgrefe/research> --1989-book: Proso Millet: A Trade Summary --1990-book: How to Produce Proso Millet: A Farmer's Guide --2006-research in Turkey: Effect of Seeding Rate and Nitrogen Fertilization on Proso Millet Under Dryland and Irrigated Conditions --2022--research in Mongolia: Ancient Proso Millet and the Twentieth-Century Survival of Mongolia (12) wietgrefe millet - YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wietgrefe+millet> --2021--video: Proso Millet: Preparing to Harvest --2021--video: Harvesting Proso Millet for High Quality Food --2022--video: How to Produce Proso Millet: Seed to Germination I look forward to learning more about other millet efforts....Gary Wietgrefe -- Author, Gary W. Wietgrefe, https://www.RelatingtoAncients.com/ *Destination North Pole--5,000 km by bicycle* is an exciting, endearing, humorous, dangerous and sometimes quirky travel adventure. Hardcover, paperback and e-books are available on Amazon or other on-line retailers. My other books tie education, school system, parenting, technology, and business with 21st century culture and learning.

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Millets Webinar #2, 15 Feb. 2023, video
by Don Osborn 19 Feb '23

19 Feb '23

Thanks again to Dr. Abed Chaudury (Head of Scientific Innovation LoamBio & Co-founder, Genofax; Founder, Krishan Farmers Group) for his presentation in the second of the Millets Webinar Series (18 Jan. 2023) that NAMA and University of Missouri are organizing. Unfortunately, Dr. Nuria Sanz was unable to join us, due to a change in schedule. And thanks also to Dr. Kiruba Krishnaswamy, Sophia Sapp, and their colleagues at the University of Missouri, for helping make this edition of the Webinar a success. The entire session, including the Q&A, was recorded, and is available for view at: https://youtu.be/nm8Yox9i2Jo Don Osborn, PhD (East Lansing, MI, US) North American Millets Alliance don at milletsalliance.org

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Upcoming Millets Webinar (#2), "Millets as Ancient Grains" 2023-2-15, 5 pm EST
by Don Osborn 12 Feb '23

12 Feb '23

Please join us for the upcoming Millets Webinar, Wed. 15 Feb., at 5 pm EST. It's entitled "Millets as Ancient Grains," and will feature two presentations: * Dr. Nuria Sanz, Regional Director of UNESCO Cairo Office, on “Traditional Ecological Knowledge and the Reconstitution of Past Practices of Millet Cultivation” * Dr. Abed Chauwdhury, Head of Scientific Innovation LoamBio & Co-founder, Genofax; Founder, Krishan Farmers Group, on “Is Millet the Most Ancient Crop Domesticated by Humans?" This is the second of the monthly Millets Webinars we are hosting with the University of Missouri during this, the International Year of Millets. If you are not already registered for the Millets Webinar Series, here is the link to sign up: https://umsystem.zoom.us/meeting/register/tJctduutrTgoGNLZnrkxtUw614DEjAT3S… Don Osborn, PhD (East Lansing, MI, US North American Millets Alliance

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Two items on proso millet (one a comparison with pearl millet)
by Don Osborn 01 Feb '23

01 Feb '23

As we close out January (too soon!) here are two items about proso millet, our millet-of-the-month for the first month of the International Year of Millets. First is a good intro article by Dryland Genetics about proso, giving some reasons why proso merits interest:: https://www.drylandgenetics.com/blog/proso-millet-the-mindful-crop The second is a short 2020 video from GRIN-U Education, Dr. Meagan Schipanski (Colorado State Univ., Fort Collins) that compares proso with pearl millet (upcoming millet-of-the-month in April). https://youtu.be/lVxnacSHLHQ Proso (Panicum mileaceum) is one of the 4 most produced millets in the world (or 5, counting sorghum). In the US and to a lesser degree Canada, it has become a notable if still minor crop for several uses, notably grain and forage. As a crop, it is attracting increasing interest among farmers in the US who are facing dryer conditions and water limitations. One challenge, however, is developing markets for the grain. Proso is one of the three millets cultivated on a commercial scale in the region for food-grade grains (along with sorghum and teff), and is the one generally labeled simply as “millet” in stores in the US & Canada. Although proso's month - January - is over, we’ll definitely be hearing more about this millet over the course of the rest of the International Year of Millets, even as we spotlight other millets. The purpose of millet-of-the-month is just to spotlight each millet in turn. Don Osborn, PhD (East Lansing, MI, US) North American Millets Alliance

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