Production of millets ... (Re: Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4)
Thank you, Dipak. The information and updates you provide are most appreciated. Gary, I'd also like to thank you again for sharing your expertise and long experience with millets. Hopefully in these exchanges we have answered Sruthi's questions (if not, please let us know!). We look forward to reading about this study! There are two takeaways I get from this conversation - the needs for (1) clearer information on millets, or perhaps a better presentation of what we know, and (2) more research, both formal and informal. Neither of these is a revelation, and as broad as these are, they don't represent the totality of needs in the millets space currently (another need, for example is for processing capacity for millets, but that's a different discussion). Regarding #1, we've discussed an information clearing house approach, which might still be a medium-term goal. In the short term, it might be useful to split the current NAMA FAQ ("frequently asked questions"), which is currently 4 pagesinto one on NAMA itself, and the other on millets in general with focus on North American facts & figures (such as we have them). Another idea on this first point that I've been thinking about is a book on millets in North America. That might be single-author, joint author, or an edited volume of articles. The intended audience would be general, with maybe an ag extension flavor? So any interested reader could access, farmers and producers could find value, and it could be used in undergraduate courses. I know that Gary has published his own volumes on millets, and that our academic colleagues have their production of articles and books, but this would be more popular press (or academic press with an outreach angle?). I personally am interested in working on such a project, altho my time is still seriously constrained. Regarding #2, we are looking at a strategy of supporting small scale research to complement that done with larger grants That also is a longer discussion. Much to do! Best to all, Don DO, EL, MI, US NAMA On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 10:29 AM Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu> wrote:
My quick response to this particular issue:
*"Two quick clarifications, if I may. First, I mentioned proso millet seed use for poultry and possibly hogs. The Dryland Genetics group was (and is?) discussing the potential of proso four chicken feed, so I had assumed this was already a thing. They've also researched its potential for hogs (and indeed one old common name for proso was "hog millet"). I defer to Dipak, of course, for what is actually done."*
Currently, proso millet in poultry and hog feeding are a research scale. I doubt if there is any commercial use of proso millet in poultry and hog feeding in the US. However, in the past proso millet was commercially used in the livestock feeding.
I am part of the poultry feeding study using millet, which is being conducted at University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Drylan Genetics is part of the study supplying the seeds for the project. Initial result is very encouraging. Germany is already using proso millet in organic poultry industry. Hog feeding study was by Dryland Genetics and BASF (I think it was done in the Iowa State University). Initial result is encouraging (personal communication with Dryland Genetics).
The price is the single most important factor which determines use of proso millet. I do not see commercial use of proso millet in the US feed industry in near future unless proso millet price is lower than corn and there is sustainable supply high volume of grain is assured in the US.
Thanks,
Dipak
Dipak Santra, Ph.D.
*Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist)*
President, International Broomcorn Millet Association
Department of Agronomy and Horticulture
University of Nebraska–Lincoln
Panhandle Research & Extension Center
4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361
*(*308) 632-124 <3086321372>4 (work) / (*308) 765-2324* (cell)
*From:* Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2024 7:26 AM *To:* collab@lists.millets2023.space *Cc:* Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu>; Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com>; Pratiksha Baishya <pratiksha.baishya@huskers.unl.edu>; dsantra2@unlnotes.unl.edu; Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>; Maria E Giovanni <mgiovanni@csuchico.edu>; Myers, Rob < myersrob@missouri.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4
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Thank you Dipak, Gary for your precisions, corrections, and additional information. The subject of millets is a bit complicated (even as there is a lack of data on some points), so these contributions are appreciated.
Maria, Sruthi, an additional source that you might find helpful is a short guide to uses of millets by our friend Dr. Rob Myers (University of Missouri) entitled "Growing Millets for Grain, Forage or Cover Crop Use" (2018). While giving international context, the focus is on uses in the US. Uses by specific millet are broken down under subheadings. These are crops with diverse utility, and the configuration of uses is not the same for all of them. See: https://extension.missouri.edu/publications/g4164
Having done some work relating to languages, I see a linguistic dimension to confusion about millets and their uses. One could say "millet is X" and "milet is not X" and be correct, because one was referring to two entirely different species. It's important to remember that the "millet" we see in major food markets in this part of the world is almost always one species: proso millet. So, "millet" (meaning proso) is grown primarily for grain (and that grain is not part of cattle feed), and "millet" acreage (meaning the area in the US on which various species of millets are grown) goes mostly to feeding livestock (including cattle, but in the form of graze, silage, or, hay).
Two quick clarifications, if I may. First, I mentioned proso millet seed use for poultry and possibly hogs. The Dryland Genetics group was (and is?) discussing the potential of proso four chicken feed, so I had assumed this was already a thing. They've also researched its potential for hogs (and indeed one old common name for proso was "hog millet"). I defer to Dipak, of course, for what is actually done.
Second, there was some work on pearl millet grain for poultry, and indeed a variety of the crop developed for that purpose at the University of Georgia. Apparently it didn't catch on? (A subtext to this and the above mention of proso for poultry is that there is a well-established agro-industry producing feed based largely on corn and wheat, according to what I read.)
Hope this helps,
Don
DO, EL, MI, US
NAMA
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:45 PM Gary Wietgrefe via Collab < collab@lists.millets2023.space> wrote:
Sruthi and Maria, I hope we did not confuse you.
First, *Dipak is correct that most years proso grain is not fed to cattle*, hogs, poultry, or used for ethanol in the U.S. Trials have been ongoing for a century. Usually, only when proso grain prices get down to corn (priced cents-per-pound) will some proso slide into the feed market which has been rare in recent years. That low priced, or low quality proso grain rarely is sold to commercial proso buyers. That is why Dipak is correct (point 3) "...local marketing companies" do not buy and sell proso grain for feed, except for caged and wild bird feed. (Note, nearly all U.S. bird feed is proso, but foxtail millets, normally for seed, do find their way into caged bird feed.)
Secondly, *U.S. livestock are fed millet forage which does produce meat*. Far more acres of U.S. millets (combining pearl, foxtail, Japanese, teff, and browntop) are fed to livestock than is proso produced for grain. U.S. Dept. of Agriculture has not collected any uses of millet for many years. Even though over half the U.S. states raise millets (including proso), since 1999 USDA has only estimated proso, and only proso, harvested for grain. Note also slide 18 in presentation on Acreage Potential of U.S. Proso Millet where roughly 15% of USDA's 3-state proso estimates are planted and NOT harvested for grain.
Thirdly, *your's, and any research on millet uses in the U.S., is welcomed*. I have tried. Since growing millet on our South Dakota farm, I have been around millet my whole life and published two books on it (1989--Proso Millet: A Trade Summary, and 1990--How to Produce Proso Millet: a farmer's guide). Both can be downloaded for free on ResearchGate.com. Review the presentation U.S. Millets for Feed, Conservation, and Wildlife specifically slides 7-13 for feed, 14-18 for conservation, and 19-22 for wildlife. My photos help tell the production and use story. My YouTube channel also has several millet videos, specifically *feeding*: https://youtu.be/usv-kruub54?si=JOR2zymO-R73d417 and *pricing*: https://youtu.be/pVQclIw5Rbw?si=mbno369FtqOan1Sf .
I look forward to reading your proso as food research....Gary Wietgrefe
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:18 PM Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu> wrote:
Hi Maria and Sruthi:
I would like to clarify a couple of points to the best of my knowledge.
1. In the US, unless Sorghum is considered millet, proso millet is the only millet which is grown for commodity grain. Other two grain millets are pearl millet and foxtail millet but used as certified seed for hay production. 2. You are correct that majority of the US proso millet is used for non-human food. However, this non-human food use means for bird feed not for cattle feed. No proso millet is used for cattle feeding in the US. In fact, I do not know if proso millet is used for cattle feeding anywhere in the world. So, this is not 'round about' way of human food. 3. Currently, the true human food & beverage uses of proso millet are significantly lower than that of bird feed but the amount is substantial due to recent global initiative to promote millets (IYM2023).
It is not possible to get exact percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for cattle or bird feed and human consumption. However, ~20% of the US proso millet is used for non-bird feed i.e. human food and beverages. The remaining 80% is used for non-food (bird feed-major and mushroom - minor). *There is no use of proso millet for cattle feeding. *This information is based on personal communications with local millet marketing companies. There is no published literature for this information.
*The US proso millet production data based on USDA-NASS: *The trend of proso millet production in the USA during the last 10 years (2014-2023) based on USDA-NAAS data.
· Total Areas of production average: 192,551 hectares (157,895 – 268,551 ha)
· Total production average: 311,311 tons (227,273 – 454,545 tons)
· Yield: 1.174 tons/ha (1.18 – 2.13 tons/ha)
· Sales price: $220/ton ($132 - $484/ton)
· Value: $73 million ($36 – $134 million)
The following link provides complete and detail data during entire recording time (1999-2023).
https://quickstats.nass.usda.gov/results/FDDA3F86-2398-363D-B8C3-D0A1EB4818D...
I hope that this helps.
Regards,
Dipak
Dipak Santra, Ph.D.
*Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist)*
President, International Broomcorn Millet Association
Department of Agronomy and Horticulture
University of Nebraska–Lincoln
Panhandle Research & Extension Center
4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361
*(*308) 632-124 <3086321372>4 (work) / (*308) 765-2324* (cell)
*From:* Collab <collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space> *On Behalf Of *Maria E Giovanni via Collab *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2024 12:17 PM *To:* Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com>; Sruthi Vobbilisetti < svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>; collab@lists.millets2023.space *Subject:* Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4
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Thank you Gary and Don! I’m Sruthi’s Research Professor – we want to make the point that some millet is grown in the US but most of it goes to non-human food use (I supposed feeding millet to cattle is a “round about” way to feed people!).
Maria Giovanni
Chico State Univ, Dept of Food Science
*From:* Collab <collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space> *On Behalf Of *Gary Wietgrefe via Collab *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2024 11:08 AM *To:* collab@lists.millets2023.space; Sruthi Vobbilisetti < svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4
Sruthi, we welcome your research as it will add food details to the complex U.S. millet matrix. Little is publicly available on quantities and types of various U.S. millets used for food (most of which is proso).
Lacking accurate data, I made estimates in a couple presentations last year for the International Millet Conference in Gehring, NE (Aug. 2), and non-food uses of U.S. millets (Nov. 15) which was a NAMA webinar. See links below and suggested slides that may help you....Gary Wietgrefe
(3) (PDF) Acreage Potential of Proso Millet in U.S. Crop Rotations Aug. 1-3, 2023 Gering NE (researchgate.net) <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373014012_Acreage_Potential_of_Proso_Millet_in_US_Crop_Rotations_Aug_1-3_2023_Gering_NE> See slides 27 and 41.
(3) (PDF) U.S. Millets for Forage Conservation Wildlife and Ornamental Uses (researchgate.net) <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/380459996_US_Millets_for_Forage_Conservation_Wildlife_and_Ornamental_Uses> See slides 34, and 35.
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Hello,
I hope you're doing well!
I'm a graduate student in Nutritional Sciences at California State University, Chico. I'm currently working on my research project " Sensory Evaluation and Acceptance of millets in California State University, Chico". In this project, I collaborated with the university dining hall and conducted a taste test of millets involving students and staff of CSU, Chico to assess their acceptance of millets as a whole grain.
I'm currently working on writing my paper. However, I was stuck when I was looking into percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for cattle or bird feed and human consumption. I was wondering if anyone can help me in this regard. It would be of great help to complete the paper and research.
Thank you,
Sruthi Vobbilisetti Graduate student Dept. of Nutrition and Food Science California State University, Chico
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Yes, thank you VERY much – your responses were above and beyond what we expected!! Maria From: Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:49 AM To: Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu> Cc: Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com>; Maria E Giovanni <mgiovanni@csuchico.edu>; Myers, Rob <myersrob@missouri.edu>; Pratiksha Baishya <pratiksha.baishya@huskers.unl.edu>; Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>; collab@lists.millets2023.space; dsantra2@unlnotes.unl.edu Subject: Production of millets ... (Re: Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4) Thank you, Dipak. The information and updates you provide are most appreciated. Gary, I'd also like to thank you again for sharing your expertise and long experience with millets. Hopefully in these exchanges we have answered Sruthi's questions (if not, please let us know!). We look forward to reading about this study! There are two takeaways I get from this conversation - the needs for (1) clearer information on millets, or perhaps a better presentation of what we know, and (2) more research, both formal and informal. Neither of these is a revelation, and as broad as these are, they don't represent the totality of needs in the millets space currently (another need, for example is for processing capacity for millets, but that's a different discussion). Regarding #1, we've discussed an information clearing house approach, which might still be a medium-term goal. In the short term, it might be useful to split the current NAMA FAQ ("frequently asked questions"), which is currently 4 pagesinto one on NAMA itself, and the other on millets in general with focus on North American facts & figures (such as we have them). Another idea on this first point that I've been thinking about is a book on millets in North America. That might be single-author, joint author, or an edited volume of articles. The intended audience would be general, with maybe an ag extension flavor? So any interested reader could access, farmers and producers could find value, and it could be used in undergraduate courses. I know that Gary has published his own volumes on millets, and that our academic colleagues have their production of articles and books, but this would be more popular press (or academic press with an outreach angle?). I personally am interested in working on such a project, altho my time is still seriously constrained. Regarding #2, we are looking at a strategy of supporting small scale research to complement that done with larger grants That also is a longer discussion. Much to do! Best to all, Don DO, EL, MI, US NAMA On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 10:29 AM Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu<mailto:dsantra2@unl.edu>> wrote: My quick response to this particular issue: "Two quick clarifications, if I may. First, I mentioned proso millet seed use for poultry and possibly hogs. The Dryland Genetics group was (and is?) discussing the potential of proso four chicken feed, so I had assumed this was already a thing. They've also researched its potential for hogs (and indeed one old common name for proso was "hog millet"). I defer to Dipak, of course, for what is actually done." Currently, proso millet in poultry and hog feeding are a research scale. I doubt if there is any commercial use of proso millet in poultry and hog feeding in the US. However, in the past proso millet was commercially used in the livestock feeding. I am part of the poultry feeding study using millet, which is being conducted at University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Drylan Genetics is part of the study supplying the seeds for the project. Initial result is very encouraging. Germany is already using proso millet in organic poultry industry. Hog feeding study was by Dryland Genetics and BASF (I think it was done in the Iowa State University). Initial result is encouraging (personal communication with Dryland Genetics). The price is the single most important factor which determines use of proso millet. I do not see commercial use of proso millet in the US feed industry in near future unless proso millet price is lower than corn and there is sustainable supply high volume of grain is assured in the US. Thanks, Dipak [cid:image001.png@01DAA490.21A9C130] Dipak Santra, Ph.D. Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist) President, International Broomcorn Millet Association Department of Agronomy and Horticulture University of Nebraska–Lincoln Panhandle Research & Extension Center 4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361 (308) 632-124<tel:3086321372>4 (work) / (308) 765-2324 (cell) From: Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org<mailto:don@milletsalliance.org>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2024 7:26 AM To: collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> Cc: Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu<mailto:dsantra2@unl.edu>>; Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com<mailto:gww374@gmail.com>>; Pratiksha Baishya <pratiksha.baishya@huskers.unl.edu<mailto:pratiksha.baishya@huskers.unl.edu>>; dsantra2@unlnotes.unl.edu<mailto:dsantra2@unlnotes.unl.edu>; Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu<mailto:svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>>; Maria E Giovanni <mgiovanni@csuchico.edu<mailto:mgiovanni@csuchico.edu>>; Myers, Rob <myersrob@missouri.edu<mailto:myersrob@missouri.edu>> Subject: Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4 Caution: Non-NU Email Thank you Dipak, Gary for your precisions, corrections, and additional information. The subject of millets is a bit complicated (even as there is a lack of data on some points), so these contributions are appreciated. Maria, Sruthi, an additional source that you might find helpful is a short guide to uses of millets by our friend Dr. Rob Myers (University of Missouri) entitled "Growing Millets for Grain, Forage or Cover Crop Use" (2018). While giving international context, the focus is on uses in the US. Uses by specific millet are broken down under subheadings. These are crops with diverse utility, and the configuration of uses is not the same for all of them. See: https://extension.missouri.edu/publications/g4164 Having done some work relating to languages, I see a linguistic dimension to confusion about millets and their uses. One could say "millet is X" and "milet is not X" and be correct, because one was referring to two entirely different species. It's important to remember that the "millet" we see in major food markets in this part of the world is almost always one species: proso millet. So, "millet" (meaning proso) is grown primarily for grain (and that grain is not part of cattle feed), and "millet" acreage (meaning the area in the US on which various species of millets are grown) goes mostly to feeding livestock (including cattle, but in the form of graze, silage, or, hay). Two quick clarifications, if I may. First, I mentioned proso millet seed use for poultry and possibly hogs. The Dryland Genetics group was (and is?) discussing the potential of proso four chicken feed, so I had assumed this was already a thing. They've also researched its potential for hogs (and indeed one old common name for proso was "hog millet"). I defer to Dipak, of course, for what is actually done. Second, there was some work on pearl millet grain for poultry, and indeed a variety of the crop developed for that purpose at the University of Georgia. Apparently it didn't catch on? (A subtext to this and the above mention of proso for poultry is that there is a well-established agro-industry producing feed based largely on corn and wheat, according to what I read.) Hope this helps, Don DO, EL, MI, US NAMA On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:45 PM Gary Wietgrefe via Collab <collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>> wrote: Sruthi and Maria, I hope we did not confuse you. First, Dipak is correct that most years proso grain is not fed to cattle, hogs, poultry, or used for ethanol in the U.S. Trials have been ongoing for a century. Usually, only when proso grain prices get down to corn (priced cents-per-pound) will some proso slide into the feed market which has been rare in recent years. That low priced, or low quality proso grain rarely is sold to commercial proso buyers. That is why Dipak is correct (point 3) "...local marketing companies" do not buy and sell proso grain for feed, except for caged and wild bird feed. (Note, nearly all U.S. bird feed is proso, but foxtail millets, normally for seed, do find their way into caged bird feed.) Secondly, U.S. livestock are fed millet forage which does produce meat. Far more acres of U.S. millets (combining pearl, foxtail, Japanese, teff, and browntop) are fed to livestock than is proso produced for grain. U.S. Dept. of Agriculture has not collected any uses of millet for many years. Even though over half the U.S. states raise millets (including proso), since 1999 USDA has only estimated proso, and only proso, harvested for grain. Note also slide 18 in presentation on Acreage Potential of U.S. Proso Millet where roughly 15% of USDA's 3-state proso estimates are planted and NOT harvested for grain. Thirdly, your's, and any research on millet uses in the U.S., is welcomed. I have tried. Since growing millet on our South Dakota farm, I have been around millet my whole life and published two books on it (1989--Proso Millet: A Trade Summary, and 1990--How to Produce Proso Millet: a farmer's guide). Both can be downloaded for free on ResearchGate.com. Review the presentation U.S. Millets for Feed, Conservation, and Wildlife specifically slides 7-13 for feed, 14-18 for conservation, and 19-22 for wildlife. My photos help tell the production and use story. My YouTube channel also has several millet videos, specifically feeding: https://youtu.be/usv-kruub54?si=JOR2zymO-R73d417 and pricing: https://youtu.be/pVQclIw5Rbw?si=mbno369FtqOan1Sf . I look forward to reading your proso as food research....Gary Wietgrefe On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:18 PM Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu<mailto:dsantra2@unl.edu>> wrote: Hi Maria and Sruthi: I would like to clarify a couple of points to the best of my knowledge. 1. In the US, unless Sorghum is considered millet, proso millet is the only millet which is grown for commodity grain. Other two grain millets are pearl millet and foxtail millet but used as certified seed for hay production. 2. You are correct that majority of the US proso millet is used for non-human food. However, this non-human food use means for bird feed not for cattle feed. No proso millet is used for cattle feeding in the US. In fact, I do not know if proso millet is used for cattle feeding anywhere in the world. So, this is not 'round about' way of human food. 3. Currently, the true human food & beverage uses of proso millet are significantly lower than that of bird feed but the amount is substantial due to recent global initiative to promote millets (IYM2023). It is not possible to get exact percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for cattle or bird feed and human consumption. However, ~20% of the US proso millet is used for non-bird feed i.e. human food and beverages. The remaining 80% is used for non-food (bird feed-major and mushroom - minor). There is no use of proso millet for cattle feeding. This information is based on personal communications with local millet marketing companies. There is no published literature for this information. The US proso millet production data based on USDA-NASS: The trend of proso millet production in the USA during the last 10 years (2014-2023) based on USDA-NAAS data. • Total Areas of production average: 192,551 hectares (157,895 – 268,551 ha) • Total production average: 311,311 tons (227,273 – 454,545 tons) • Yield: 1.174 tons/ha (1.18 – 2.13 tons/ha) • Sales price: $220/ton ($132 - $484/ton) • Value: $73 million ($36 – $134 million) The following link provides complete and detail data during entire recording time (1999-2023). https://quickstats.nass.usda.gov/results/FDDA3F86-2398-363D-B8C3-D0A1EB4818D... I hope that this helps. Regards, Dipak [cid:image001.png@01DAA490.21A9C130] Dipak Santra, Ph.D. Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist) President, International Broomcorn Millet Association Department of Agronomy and Horticulture University of Nebraska–Lincoln Panhandle Research & Extension Center 4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361 (308) 632-124<tel:3086321372>4 (work) / (308) 765-2324 (cell) From: Collab <collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space>> On Behalf Of Maria E Giovanni via Collab Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 12:17 PM To: Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com<mailto:gww374@gmail.com>>; Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu<mailto:svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>>; collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> Subject: Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4 Caution: Non-NU Email Thank you Gary and Don! I’m Sruthi’s Research Professor – we want to make the point that some millet is grown in the US but most of it goes to non-human food use (I supposed feeding millet to cattle is a “round about” way to feed people!). Maria Giovanni Chico State Univ, Dept of Food Science From: Collab <collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space>> On Behalf Of Gary Wietgrefe via Collab Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 11:08 AM To: collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>; Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu<mailto:svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>> Subject: Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4 Sruthi, we welcome your research as it will add food details to the complex U.S. millet matrix. Little is publicly available on quantities and types of various U.S. millets used for food (most of which is proso). Lacking accurate data, I made estimates in a couple presentations last year for the International Millet Conference in Gehring, NE (Aug. 2), and non-food uses of U.S. millets (Nov. 15) which was a NAMA webinar. See links below and suggested slides that may help you....Gary Wietgrefe (3) (PDF) Acreage Potential of Proso Millet in U.S. Crop Rotations Aug. 1-3, 2023 Gering NE (researchgate.net)<https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373014012_Acreage_Potential_of_Proso_Millet_in_US_Crop_Rotations_Aug_1-3_2023_Gering_NE> See slides 27 and 41. (3) (PDF) U.S. Millets for Forage Conservation Wildlife and Ornamental Uses (researchgate.net)<https://www.researchgate.net/publication/380459996_US_Millets_for_Forage_Conservation_Wildlife_and_Ornamental_Uses> See slides 34, and 35. 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Re: Production of millets for cattle feed and human consumption (Don Osborn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 13:29:24 +0000 From: Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu<mailto:svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>> To: "collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>" <collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>> Subject: [Collab] Production of millets for cattle feed and human consumption Message-ID: <MN2PR13MB3678E517EB7F4F6E4B65C638D2E42@MN2PR13MB3678.namprd13.prod.outlook.com<mailto:MN2PR13MB3678E517EB7F4F6E4B65C638D2E42@MN2PR13MB3678.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, I hope you're doing well! I'm a graduate student in Nutritional Sciences at California State University, Chico. I'm currently working on my research project " Sensory Evaluation and Acceptance of millets in California State University, Chico". In this project, I collaborated with the university dining hall and conducted a taste test of millets involving students and staff of CSU, Chico to assess their acceptance of millets as a whole grain. I'm currently working on writing my paper. However, I was stuck when I was looking into percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for cattle or bird feed and human consumption. I was wondering if anyone can help me in this regard. It would be of great help to complete the paper and research. Thank you, Sruthi Vobbilisetti Graduate student Dept. of Nutrition and Food Science California State University, Chico [cid:1673992c-89b3-4dbb-a6a0-a609f232abe3] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/attachments/20240507/4ecaf77a/attachment-0001.htm> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope others on the list who are in a better position to respond about the breakdown of acreage devoted to millet for various purposes will do so. In the meantime, I'd note that in a post to this list last September, Gary Weitgrefe discussed some statistics, including that 86.8% of the proso millet grown in the three-state area of Colorado, Nebraska, and South Dakota (major producers) is harvested for grain.* That grain might go for different purposes, including birdseed, feed for poultry or hogs(?), and human food. I don't have a breakdown of that Presumably the other 13.2% includes proso that goes for forage / hay. Sorghum and teff, which may be included among the millets, are similarly grown for grain or forage. I have no breakdowns. All other millets - including pearl, foxtail, and Japanese/barnyard - are grown only for animal consumption, even in the rare cases they are harvested for grain. I understand that browntop millet is sown only for wildlife. Others please correct me on any of the above, and/or expand on it. It will be very interesting to know more about your study, Sruthi, including which millets were used. Please keep us informed as the work progresses. Thanks again and best of luck with your studies! Don Don Osborn, PhD (East Lansing, MI, US) North American Millets Alliance Note: * https://lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/2023-September/000329.html On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 9:16?AM Sruthi Vobbilisetti via Collab < collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>> wrote:
Hello,
I hope you're doing well!
I'm a graduate student in Nutritional Sciences at California State University, Chico. I'm currently working on my research project " Sensory Evaluation and Acceptance of millets in California State University, Chico". In this project, I collaborated with the university dining hall and conducted a taste test of millets involving students and staff of CSU, Chico to assess their acceptance of millets as a whole grain.
I'm currently working on writing my paper. However, I was stuck when I was looking into percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for cattle or bird feed and human consumption. I was wondering if anyone can help me in this regard. It would be of great help to complete the paper and research.
Thank you,
Sruthi Vobbilisetti Graduate student Dept. of Nutrition and Food Science California State University, Chico
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You're most welcome, Maria and Sruthi (if I may presume to speak on behalf of my more knowledgeable colleagues). If you or others have further questions on millets, please don't hesitate to post them here! Don DO, EL, MI, US NAMA On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 8:16 PM Maria E Giovanni <mgiovanni@csuchico.edu> wrote:
Yes, thank you VERY much – your responses were above and beyond what we expected!!
Maria
*From:* Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org> *Sent:* Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:49 AM *To:* Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu> *Cc:* Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com>; Maria E Giovanni < mgiovanni@csuchico.edu>; Myers, Rob <myersrob@missouri.edu>; Pratiksha Baishya <pratiksha.baishya@huskers.unl.edu>; Sruthi Vobbilisetti < svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>; collab@lists.millets2023.space; dsantra2@unlnotes.unl.edu *Subject:* Production of millets ... (Re: Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4)
Thank you, Dipak. The information and updates you provide are most appreciated.
Gary, I'd also like to thank you again for sharing your expertise and long experience with millets.
Hopefully in these exchanges we have answered Sruthi's questions (if not, please let us know!). We look forward to reading about this study!
There are two takeaways I get from this conversation - the needs for (1) clearer information on millets, or perhaps a better presentation of what we know, and (2) more research, both formal and informal. Neither of these is a revelation, and as broad as these are, they don't represent the totality of needs in the millets space currently (another need, for example is for processing capacity for millets, but that's a different discussion).
Regarding #1, we've discussed an information clearing house approach, which might still be a medium-term goal. In the short term, it might be useful to split the current NAMA FAQ ("frequently asked questions"), which is currently 4 pagesinto one on NAMA itself, and the other on millets in general with focus on North American facts & figures (such as we have them).
Another idea on this first point that I've been thinking about is a book on millets in North America. That might be single-author, joint author, or an edited volume of articles. The intended audience would be general, with maybe an ag extension flavor? So any interested reader could access, farmers and producers could find value, and it could be used in undergraduate courses. I know that Gary has published his own volumes on millets, and that our academic colleagues have their production of articles and books, but this would be more popular press (or academic press with an outreach angle?). I personally am interested in working on such a project, altho my time is still seriously constrained.
Regarding #2, we are looking at a strategy of supporting small scale research to complement that done with larger grants That also is a longer discussion.
Much to do!
Best to all,
Don
DO, EL, MI, US
NAMA
On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 10:29 AM Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu> wrote:
My quick response to this particular issue:
*"Two quick clarifications, if I may. First, I mentioned proso millet seed use for poultry and possibly hogs. The Dryland Genetics group was (and is?) discussing the potential of proso four chicken feed, so I had assumed this was already a thing. They've also researched its potential for hogs (and indeed one old common name for proso was "hog millet"). I defer to Dipak, of course, for what is actually done."*
Currently, proso millet in poultry and hog feeding are a research scale. I doubt if there is any commercial use of proso millet in poultry and hog feeding in the US. However, in the past proso millet was commercially used in the livestock feeding.
I am part of the poultry feeding study using millet, which is being conducted at University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Drylan Genetics is part of the study supplying the seeds for the project. Initial result is very encouraging. Germany is already using proso millet in organic poultry industry. Hog feeding study was by Dryland Genetics and BASF (I think it was done in the Iowa State University). Initial result is encouraging (personal communication with Dryland Genetics).
The price is the single most important factor which determines use of proso millet. I do not see commercial use of proso millet in the US feed industry in near future unless proso millet price is lower than corn and there is sustainable supply high volume of grain is assured in the US.
Thanks,
Dipak
Dipak Santra, Ph.D.
*Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist)*
President, International Broomcorn Millet Association
Department of Agronomy and Horticulture
University of Nebraska–Lincoln
Panhandle Research & Extension Center
4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361
*(*308) 632-124 <3086321372>4 (work) / (*308) 765-2324* (cell)
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Thank you Dipak, Gary for your precisions, corrections, and additional information. The subject of millets is a bit complicated (even as there is a lack of data on some points), so these contributions are appreciated.
Maria, Sruthi, an additional source that you might find helpful is a short guide to uses of millets by our friend Dr. Rob Myers (University of Missouri) entitled "Growing Millets for Grain, Forage or Cover Crop Use" (2018). While giving international context, the focus is on uses in the US. Uses by specific millet are broken down under subheadings. These are crops with diverse utility, and the configuration of uses is not the same for all of them. See: https://extension.missouri.edu/publications/g4164
Having done some work relating to languages, I see a linguistic dimension to confusion about millets and their uses. One could say "millet is X" and "milet is not X" and be correct, because one was referring to two entirely different species. It's important to remember that the "millet" we see in major food markets in this part of the world is almost always one species: proso millet. So, "millet" (meaning proso) is grown primarily for grain (and that grain is not part of cattle feed), and "millet" acreage (meaning the area in the US on which various species of millets are grown) goes mostly to feeding livestock (including cattle, but in the form of graze, silage, or, hay).
Two quick clarifications, if I may. First, I mentioned proso millet seed use for poultry and possibly hogs. The Dryland Genetics group was (and is?) discussing the potential of proso four chicken feed, so I had assumed this was already a thing. They've also researched its potential for hogs (and indeed one old common name for proso was "hog millet"). I defer to Dipak, of course, for what is actually done.
Second, there was some work on pearl millet grain for poultry, and indeed a variety of the crop developed for that purpose at the University of Georgia. Apparently it didn't catch on? (A subtext to this and the above mention of proso for poultry is that there is a well-established agro-industry producing feed based largely on corn and wheat, according to what I read.)
Hope this helps,
Don
DO, EL, MI, US
NAMA
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:45 PM Gary Wietgrefe via Collab < collab@lists.millets2023.space> wrote:
Sruthi and Maria, I hope we did not confuse you.
First, *Dipak is correct that most years proso grain is not fed to cattle*, hogs, poultry, or used for ethanol in the U.S. Trials have been ongoing for a century. Usually, only when proso grain prices get down to corn (priced cents-per-pound) will some proso slide into the feed market which has been rare in recent years. That low priced, or low quality proso grain rarely is sold to commercial proso buyers. That is why Dipak is correct (point 3) "...local marketing companies" do not buy and sell proso grain for feed, except for caged and wild bird feed. (Note, nearly all U.S. bird feed is proso, but foxtail millets, normally for seed, do find their way into caged bird feed.)
Secondly, *U.S. livestock are fed millet forage which does produce meat*. Far more acres of U.S. millets (combining pearl, foxtail, Japanese, teff, and browntop) are fed to livestock than is proso produced for grain. U.S. Dept. of Agriculture has not collected any uses of millet for many years. Even though over half the U.S. states raise millets (including proso), since 1999 USDA has only estimated proso, and only proso, harvested for grain. Note also slide 18 in presentation on Acreage Potential of U.S. Proso Millet where roughly 15% of USDA's 3-state proso estimates are planted and NOT harvested for grain.
Thirdly, *your's, and any research on millet uses in the U.S., is welcomed*. I have tried. Since growing millet on our South Dakota farm, I have been around millet my whole life and published two books on it (1989--Proso Millet: A Trade Summary, and 1990--How to Produce Proso Millet: a farmer's guide). Both can be downloaded for free on ResearchGate.com. Review the presentation U.S. Millets for Feed, Conservation, and Wildlife specifically slides 7-13 for feed, 14-18 for conservation, and 19-22 for wildlife. My photos help tell the production and use story. My YouTube channel also has several millet videos, specifically *feeding*: https://youtu.be/usv-kruub54?si=JOR2zymO-R73d417 and *pricing*: https://youtu.be/pVQclIw5Rbw?si=mbno369FtqOan1Sf .
I look forward to reading your proso as food research....Gary Wietgrefe
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:18 PM Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu> wrote:
Hi Maria and Sruthi:
I would like to clarify a couple of points to the best of my knowledge.
1. In the US, unless Sorghum is considered millet, proso millet is the only millet which is grown for commodity grain. Other two grain millets are pearl millet and foxtail millet but used as certified seed for hay production. 2. You are correct that majority of the US proso millet is used for non-human food. However, this non-human food use means for bird feed not for cattle feed. No proso millet is used for cattle feeding in the US. In fact, I do not know if proso millet is used for cattle feeding anywhere in the world. So, this is not 'round about' way of human food. 3. Currently, the true human food & beverage uses of proso millet are significantly lower than that of bird feed but the amount is substantial due to recent global initiative to promote millets (IYM2023).
It is not possible to get exact percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for cattle or bird feed and human consumption. However, ~20% of the US proso millet is used for non-bird feed i.e. human food and beverages. The remaining 80% is used for non-food (bird feed-major and mushroom - minor). *There is no use of proso millet for cattle feeding. *This information is based on personal communications with local millet marketing companies. There is no published literature for this information.
*The US proso millet production data based on USDA-NASS: *The trend of proso millet production in the USA during the last 10 years (2014-2023) based on USDA-NAAS data.
· Total Areas of production average: 192,551 hectares (157,895 – 268,551 ha)
· Total production average: 311,311 tons (227,273 – 454,545 tons)
· Yield: 1.174 tons/ha (1.18 – 2.13 tons/ha)
· Sales price: $220/ton ($132 - $484/ton)
· Value: $73 million ($36 – $134 million)
The following link provides complete and detail data during entire recording time (1999-2023).
https://quickstats.nass.usda.gov/results/FDDA3F86-2398-363D-B8C3-D0A1EB4818D...
I hope that this helps.
Regards,
Dipak
Dipak Santra, Ph.D.
*Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist)*
President, International Broomcorn Millet Association
Department of Agronomy and Horticulture
University of Nebraska–Lincoln
Panhandle Research & Extension Center
4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361
*(*308) 632-124 <3086321372>4 (work) / (*308) 765-2324* (cell)
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Thank you Gary and Don! I’m Sruthi’s Research Professor – we want to make the point that some millet is grown in the US but most of it goes to non-human food use (I supposed feeding millet to cattle is a “round about” way to feed people!).
Maria Giovanni
Chico State Univ, Dept of Food Science
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Sruthi, we welcome your research as it will add food details to the complex U.S. millet matrix. Little is publicly available on quantities and types of various U.S. millets used for food (most of which is proso).
Lacking accurate data, I made estimates in a couple presentations last year for the International Millet Conference in Gehring, NE (Aug. 2), and non-food uses of U.S. millets (Nov. 15) which was a NAMA webinar. See links below and suggested slides that may help you....Gary Wietgrefe
(3) (PDF) Acreage Potential of Proso Millet in U.S. Crop Rotations Aug. 1-3, 2023 Gering NE (researchgate.net) <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373014012_Acreage_Potential_of_Proso_Millet_in_US_Crop_Rotations_Aug_1-3_2023_Gering_NE> See slides 27 and 41.
(3) (PDF) U.S. Millets for Forage Conservation Wildlife and Ornamental Uses (researchgate.net) <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/380459996_US_Millets_for_Forage_Conservation_Wildlife_and_Ornamental_Uses> See slides 34, and 35.
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Hello,
I hope you're doing well!
I'm a graduate student in Nutritional Sciences at California State University, Chico. I'm currently working on my research project " Sensory Evaluation and Acceptance of millets in California State University, Chico". In this project, I collaborated with the university dining hall and conducted a taste test of millets involving students and staff of CSU, Chico to assess their acceptance of millets as a whole grain.
I'm currently working on writing my paper. However, I was stuck when I was looking into percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for cattle or bird feed and human consumption. I was wondering if anyone can help me in this regard. It would be of great help to complete the paper and research.
Thank you,
Sruthi Vobbilisetti Graduate student Dept. of Nutrition and Food Science California State University, Chico
[cid:1673992c-89b3-4dbb-a6a0-a609f232abe3]
We will keep you appraised of our research – Sruthi has the fun part now, Data Analysis!! Maria From: Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 6:02 AM To: Maria E Giovanni <mgiovanni@csuchico.edu> Cc: Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>; collab@lists.millets2023.space Subject: Re: Production of millets ... (Re: Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4) You're most welcome, Maria and Sruthi (if I may presume to speak on behalf of my more knowledgeable colleagues). If you or others have further questions on millets, please don't hesitate to post them here! Don DO, EL, MI, US NAMA On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 8:16 PM Maria E Giovanni <mgiovanni@csuchico.edu<mailto:mgiovanni@csuchico.edu>> wrote: Yes, thank you VERY much – your responses were above and beyond what we expected!! Maria From: Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org<mailto:don@milletsalliance.org>> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:49 AM To: Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu<mailto:dsantra2@unl.edu>> Cc: Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com<mailto:gww374@gmail.com>>; Maria E Giovanni <mgiovanni@csuchico.edu<mailto:mgiovanni@csuchico.edu>>; Myers, Rob <myersrob@missouri.edu<mailto:myersrob@missouri.edu>>; Pratiksha Baishya <pratiksha.baishya@huskers.unl.edu<mailto:pratiksha.baishya@huskers.unl.edu>>; Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu<mailto:svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>>; collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>; dsantra2@unlnotes.unl.edu<mailto:dsantra2@unlnotes.unl.edu> Subject: Production of millets ... (Re: Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4) Thank you, Dipak. The information and updates you provide are most appreciated. Gary, I'd also like to thank you again for sharing your expertise and long experience with millets. Hopefully in these exchanges we have answered Sruthi's questions (if not, please let us know!). We look forward to reading about this study! There are two takeaways I get from this conversation - the needs for (1) clearer information on millets, or perhaps a better presentation of what we know, and (2) more research, both formal and informal. Neither of these is a revelation, and as broad as these are, they don't represent the totality of needs in the millets space currently (another need, for example is for processing capacity for millets, but that's a different discussion). Regarding #1, we've discussed an information clearing house approach, which might still be a medium-term goal. In the short term, it might be useful to split the current NAMA FAQ ("frequently asked questions"), which is currently 4 pagesinto one on NAMA itself, and the other on millets in general with focus on North American facts & figures (such as we have them). Another idea on this first point that I've been thinking about is a book on millets in North America. That might be single-author, joint author, or an edited volume of articles. The intended audience would be general, with maybe an ag extension flavor? So any interested reader could access, farmers and producers could find value, and it could be used in undergraduate courses. I know that Gary has published his own volumes on millets, and that our academic colleagues have their production of articles and books, but this would be more popular press (or academic press with an outreach angle?). I personally am interested in working on such a project, altho my time is still seriously constrained. Regarding #2, we are looking at a strategy of supporting small scale research to complement that done with larger grants That also is a longer discussion. Much to do! Best to all, Don DO, EL, MI, US NAMA On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 10:29 AM Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu<mailto:dsantra2@unl.edu>> wrote: My quick response to this particular issue: "Two quick clarifications, if I may. First, I mentioned proso millet seed use for poultry and possibly hogs. The Dryland Genetics group was (and is?) discussing the potential of proso four chicken feed, so I had assumed this was already a thing. They've also researched its potential for hogs (and indeed one old common name for proso was "hog millet"). I defer to Dipak, of course, for what is actually done." Currently, proso millet in poultry and hog feeding are a research scale. I doubt if there is any commercial use of proso millet in poultry and hog feeding in the US. However, in the past proso millet was commercially used in the livestock feeding. I am part of the poultry feeding study using millet, which is being conducted at University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Drylan Genetics is part of the study supplying the seeds for the project. Initial result is very encouraging. Germany is already using proso millet in organic poultry industry. Hog feeding study was by Dryland Genetics and BASF (I think it was done in the Iowa State University). Initial result is encouraging (personal communication with Dryland Genetics). The price is the single most important factor which determines use of proso millet. I do not see commercial use of proso millet in the US feed industry in near future unless proso millet price is lower than corn and there is sustainable supply high volume of grain is assured in the US. Thanks, Dipak [cid:image001.png@01DAA5DC.195574F0] Dipak Santra, Ph.D. Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist) President, International Broomcorn Millet Association Department of Agronomy and Horticulture University of Nebraska–Lincoln Panhandle Research & Extension Center 4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361 (308) 632-124<tel:3086321372>4 (work) / (308) 765-2324 (cell) From: Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org<mailto:don@milletsalliance.org>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2024 7:26 AM To: collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> Cc: Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu<mailto:dsantra2@unl.edu>>; Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com<mailto:gww374@gmail.com>>; Pratiksha Baishya <pratiksha.baishya@huskers.unl.edu<mailto:pratiksha.baishya@huskers.unl.edu>>; dsantra2@unlnotes.unl.edu<mailto:dsantra2@unlnotes.unl.edu>; Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu<mailto:svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>>; Maria E Giovanni <mgiovanni@csuchico.edu<mailto:mgiovanni@csuchico.edu>>; Myers, Rob <myersrob@missouri.edu<mailto:myersrob@missouri.edu>> Subject: Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4 Caution: Non-NU Email Thank you Dipak, Gary for your precisions, corrections, and additional information. The subject of millets is a bit complicated (even as there is a lack of data on some points), so these contributions are appreciated. Maria, Sruthi, an additional source that you might find helpful is a short guide to uses of millets by our friend Dr. Rob Myers (University of Missouri) entitled "Growing Millets for Grain, Forage or Cover Crop Use" (2018). While giving international context, the focus is on uses in the US. Uses by specific millet are broken down under subheadings. These are crops with diverse utility, and the configuration of uses is not the same for all of them. See: https://extension.missouri.edu/publications/g4164 Having done some work relating to languages, I see a linguistic dimension to confusion about millets and their uses. One could say "millet is X" and "milet is not X" and be correct, because one was referring to two entirely different species. It's important to remember that the "millet" we see in major food markets in this part of the world is almost always one species: proso millet. So, "millet" (meaning proso) is grown primarily for grain (and that grain is not part of cattle feed), and "millet" acreage (meaning the area in the US on which various species of millets are grown) goes mostly to feeding livestock (including cattle, but in the form of graze, silage, or, hay). Two quick clarifications, if I may. First, I mentioned proso millet seed use for poultry and possibly hogs. The Dryland Genetics group was (and is?) discussing the potential of proso four chicken feed, so I had assumed this was already a thing. They've also researched its potential for hogs (and indeed one old common name for proso was "hog millet"). I defer to Dipak, of course, for what is actually done. Second, there was some work on pearl millet grain for poultry, and indeed a variety of the crop developed for that purpose at the University of Georgia. Apparently it didn't catch on? (A subtext to this and the above mention of proso for poultry is that there is a well-established agro-industry producing feed based largely on corn and wheat, according to what I read.) Hope this helps, Don DO, EL, MI, US NAMA On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:45 PM Gary Wietgrefe via Collab <collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>> wrote: Sruthi and Maria, I hope we did not confuse you. First, Dipak is correct that most years proso grain is not fed to cattle, hogs, poultry, or used for ethanol in the U.S. Trials have been ongoing for a century. Usually, only when proso grain prices get down to corn (priced cents-per-pound) will some proso slide into the feed market which has been rare in recent years. That low priced, or low quality proso grain rarely is sold to commercial proso buyers. That is why Dipak is correct (point 3) "...local marketing companies" do not buy and sell proso grain for feed, except for caged and wild bird feed. (Note, nearly all U.S. bird feed is proso, but foxtail millets, normally for seed, do find their way into caged bird feed.) Secondly, U.S. livestock are fed millet forage which does produce meat. Far more acres of U.S. millets (combining pearl, foxtail, Japanese, teff, and browntop) are fed to livestock than is proso produced for grain. U.S. Dept. of Agriculture has not collected any uses of millet for many years. Even though over half the U.S. states raise millets (including proso), since 1999 USDA has only estimated proso, and only proso, harvested for grain. Note also slide 18 in presentation on Acreage Potential of U.S. Proso Millet where roughly 15% of USDA's 3-state proso estimates are planted and NOT harvested for grain. Thirdly, your's, and any research on millet uses in the U.S., is welcomed. I have tried. Since growing millet on our South Dakota farm, I have been around millet my whole life and published two books on it (1989--Proso Millet: A Trade Summary, and 1990--How to Produce Proso Millet: a farmer's guide). Both can be downloaded for free on ResearchGate.com. Review the presentation U.S. Millets for Feed, Conservation, and Wildlife specifically slides 7-13 for feed, 14-18 for conservation, and 19-22 for wildlife. My photos help tell the production and use story. My YouTube channel also has several millet videos, specifically feeding: https://youtu.be/usv-kruub54?si=JOR2zymO-R73d417 and pricing: https://youtu.be/pVQclIw5Rbw?si=mbno369FtqOan1Sf . I look forward to reading your proso as food research....Gary Wietgrefe On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:18 PM Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu<mailto:dsantra2@unl.edu>> wrote: Hi Maria and Sruthi: I would like to clarify a couple of points to the best of my knowledge. 1. In the US, unless Sorghum is considered millet, proso millet is the only millet which is grown for commodity grain. Other two grain millets are pearl millet and foxtail millet but used as certified seed for hay production. 2. You are correct that majority of the US proso millet is used for non-human food. However, this non-human food use means for bird feed not for cattle feed. No proso millet is used for cattle feeding in the US. In fact, I do not know if proso millet is used for cattle feeding anywhere in the world. So, this is not 'round about' way of human food. 3. Currently, the true human food & beverage uses of proso millet are significantly lower than that of bird feed but the amount is substantial due to recent global initiative to promote millets (IYM2023). It is not possible to get exact percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for cattle or bird feed and human consumption. However, ~20% of the US proso millet is used for non-bird feed i.e. human food and beverages. The remaining 80% is used for non-food (bird feed-major and mushroom - minor). There is no use of proso millet for cattle feeding. This information is based on personal communications with local millet marketing companies. There is no published literature for this information. The US proso millet production data based on USDA-NASS: The trend of proso millet production in the USA during the last 10 years (2014-2023) based on USDA-NAAS data. • Total Areas of production average: 192,551 hectares (157,895 – 268,551 ha) • Total production average: 311,311 tons (227,273 – 454,545 tons) • Yield: 1.174 tons/ha (1.18 – 2.13 tons/ha) • Sales price: $220/ton ($132 - $484/ton) • Value: $73 million ($36 – $134 million) The following link provides complete and detail data during entire recording time (1999-2023). https://quickstats.nass.usda.gov/results/FDDA3F86-2398-363D-B8C3-D0A1EB4818D... I hope that this helps. Regards, Dipak [cid:image001.png@01DAA5DC.195574F0] Dipak Santra, Ph.D. Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist) President, International Broomcorn Millet Association Department of Agronomy and Horticulture University of Nebraska–Lincoln Panhandle Research & Extension Center 4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361 (308) 632-124<tel:3086321372>4 (work) / (308) 765-2324 (cell) From: Collab <collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space>> On Behalf Of Maria E Giovanni via Collab Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 12:17 PM To: Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com<mailto:gww374@gmail.com>>; Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu<mailto:svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>>; collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> Subject: Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4 Caution: Non-NU Email Thank you Gary and Don! I’m Sruthi’s Research Professor – we want to make the point that some millet is grown in the US but most of it goes to non-human food use (I supposed feeding millet to cattle is a “round about” way to feed people!). Maria Giovanni Chico State Univ, Dept of Food Science From: Collab <collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space>> On Behalf Of Gary Wietgrefe via Collab Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 11:08 AM To: collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>; Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu<mailto:svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>> Subject: Re: [Collab] Collab Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4 Sruthi, we welcome your research as it will add food details to the complex U.S. millet matrix. Little is publicly available on quantities and types of various U.S. millets used for food (most of which is proso). Lacking accurate data, I made estimates in a couple presentations last year for the International Millet Conference in Gehring, NE (Aug. 2), and non-food uses of U.S. millets (Nov. 15) which was a NAMA webinar. See links below and suggested slides that may help you....Gary Wietgrefe (3) (PDF) Acreage Potential of Proso Millet in U.S. Crop Rotations Aug. 1-3, 2023 Gering NE (researchgate.net)<https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373014012_Acreage_Potential_of_Proso_Millet_in_US_Crop_Rotations_Aug_1-3_2023_Gering_NE> See slides 27 and 41. (3) (PDF) U.S. Millets for Forage Conservation Wildlife and Ornamental Uses (researchgate.net)<https://www.researchgate.net/publication/380459996_US_Millets_for_Forage_Conservation_Wildlife_and_Ornamental_Uses> See slides 34, and 35. On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 11:09 AM <collab-request@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab-request@lists.millets2023.space>> wrote: Send Collab mailing list submissions to collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.millets2023.space/mailman/listinfo/collab or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to collab-request@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab-request@lists.millets2023.space> You can reach the person managing the list at collab-owner@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab-owner@lists.millets2023.space> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Collab digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Production of millets for cattle feed and human consumption (Sruthi Vobbilisetti) 2. Re: Production of millets for cattle feed and human consumption (Don Osborn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 13:29:24 +0000 From: Sruthi Vobbilisetti <svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu<mailto:svobbilisetti@csuchico.edu>> To: "collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>" <collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>> Subject: [Collab] Production of millets for cattle feed and human consumption Message-ID: <MN2PR13MB3678E517EB7F4F6E4B65C638D2E42@MN2PR13MB3678.namprd13.prod.outlook.com<mailto:MN2PR13MB3678E517EB7F4F6E4B65C638D2E42@MN2PR13MB3678.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, I hope you're doing well! I'm a graduate student in Nutritional Sciences at California State University, Chico. I'm currently working on my research project " Sensory Evaluation and Acceptance of millets in California State University, Chico". In this project, I collaborated with the university dining hall and conducted a taste test of millets involving students and staff of CSU, Chico to assess their acceptance of millets as a whole grain. I'm currently working on writing my paper. However, I was stuck when I was looking into percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for cattle or bird feed and human consumption. I was wondering if anyone can help me in this regard. It would be of great help to complete the paper and research. Thank you, Sruthi Vobbilisetti Graduate student Dept. of Nutrition and Food Science California State University, Chico [cid:1673992c-89b3-4dbb-a6a0-a609f232abe3] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/attachments/20240507/4ecaf77a/attachment-0001.htm> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope others on the list who are in a better position to respond about the breakdown of acreage devoted to millet for various purposes will do so. In the meantime, I'd note that in a post to this list last September, Gary Weitgrefe discussed some statistics, including that 86.8% of the proso millet grown in the three-state area of Colorado, Nebraska, and South Dakota (major producers) is harvested for grain.* That grain might go for different purposes, including birdseed, feed for poultry or hogs(?), and human food. I don't have a breakdown of that Presumably the other 13.2% includes proso that goes for forage / hay. Sorghum and teff, which may be included among the millets, are similarly grown for grain or forage. I have no breakdowns. All other millets - including pearl, foxtail, and Japanese/barnyard - are grown only for animal consumption, even in the rare cases they are harvested for grain. I understand that browntop millet is sown only for wildlife. Others please correct me on any of the above, and/or expand on it. It will be very interesting to know more about your study, Sruthi, including which millets were used. Please keep us informed as the work progresses. Thanks again and best of luck with your studies! Don Don Osborn, PhD (East Lansing, MI, US) North American Millets Alliance Note: * https://lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/2023-September/000329.html On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 9:16?AM Sruthi Vobbilisetti via Collab < collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>> wrote:
Hello,
I hope you're doing well!
I'm a graduate student in Nutritional Sciences at California State University, Chico. I'm currently working on my research project " Sensory Evaluation and Acceptance of millets in California State University, Chico". In this project, I collaborated with the university dining hall and conducted a taste test of millets involving students and staff of CSU, Chico to assess their acceptance of millets as a whole grain.
I'm currently working on writing my paper. However, I was stuck when I was looking into percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for cattle or bird feed and human consumption. I was wondering if anyone can help me in this regard. It would be of great help to complete the paper and research.
Thank you,
Sruthi Vobbilisetti Graduate student Dept. of Nutrition and Food Science California State University, Chico
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