Hi all,
I had trouble to find the link to see the crop locator.
Would it be possible to forward that link?
Thanks!
Juan


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> From: Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org>
> To: Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com>, collab@lists.millets2023.space
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> Thank you, Gary, for the information on proso, foxtail & pearl harvests and
> your research, I'll comment briefly on those but first wanted to emphasize
> that the SBSF maps are an effort in progress, and not final, so the
> feedback is valuable. My interest is in precisely the kind of information
> you (and Dipak and David) have shared - and in supplying that with soils
> and climate info to them.
>
> There is an updated set of maps, for which I'm not sure I have the right to
> share, that show the high plains areas you mention colored deep red (very
> good) for proso. (The earlier version you saw was originally posted on
> LinkedIn.) I'm writing to ask if that is because they added US data on
> proso, or if new data from other sources led to the change in the map. Will
> keep you all posted.
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> Interested to learn of your work with the harvest of millets in South
> Dakota. Will what you filmed be available for viewing? Are you planning to
> fit that into a production of some sort?
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> Am assuming the proso, foxtail, and pearl millets for forage are cut before
> the grains have developed? Does anyone out there leave the foxtail or pearl
> through maturity and harvest its grains?
>
> May I ask if your grandson is growing proso for forage or grain? Does it
> look like the proso crops in your area in general are above average this
> year?
>
> We should talk about your work on documenting the extent of cultivation of
> millets for forage in the US. Your findings seem to align with the first
> part of the NAMA line that in North America, we will be "growing more
> millets for diverse purposes, and eating more millets from diverse sources."
>
> All the best,
>
> Don
>
> DO, EL, MI, US
> NAMA
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>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 3:46?PM Gary Wietgrefe via Collab <
>> collab@lists.millets2023.space> wrote:
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>> In the SBSF slides I assume darker red is most potential and white--no
>> potential. In the central U.S. the SBSF slides have no sense of reality.
>>
>> This week I filmed on a ranch harvesting pearl and foxtail millet for
>> forage yielding about 1.8 short ton/acre dryland and irrigated pearl which
>> traditionally yields at about 6 ton/acre planted as double-crop behind
>> forage barley (in far west South Dakota). Next week I will be helping my
>> grandson combine above average proso (central South Dakota just east of the
>> Missouri River).
>>
>> I estimate there are over a million acres of forage millets harvested
>> annually in the U.S., and perhaps up to a half million acres with various
>> millets planted as cover-crops or wildlife food plots. However, U.S.D.A.
>> does not track those plantings. Proso millet acres have been tracked by
>> U.S.D.A. in annual surveys of three states, Colorado, Nebraska, and South
>> Dakota. If you select "Census" on the NASS link attached, you will find the
>> other 22 states that plant proso (at least prior to the last (2017) Census
>> that sought proso production). https://quickstats.nass.usda.gov/
>>
>> According to SBSF slides, my South Dakota observations are impossible. My
>> proso research in Mongolia and Turkey and observations in Australia also
>> seem to be outliers. I cannot speak for the rest of the world, but SBSF
>> *production* data for the U.S. is worthless and *potential* millet
>> production is highly questionable....Gary Wietgrefe
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>>>   1. Re: Grain teff and proso millet in the US: Rainfed or
>>>      irrigated? (Dipak Santra)
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>>> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2023 19:17:22 +0000
>>> From: Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu>
>>> To: Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org>, "Brenner, David (CTR) -
>>>        REE-ARS" <david.brenner@usda.gov>
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>>> Don:
>>> You are correct what you stated in this sentence.
>>> Another angle on this broader issue, taking into account that a lot of
>>> major grain crops are grown in many different agroclimatic zones, is that
>>> of varieties of a crop. It may be that varieties x, y, and z of a
>>> particular millet (whether subspecies or bred crop cultivars) may be
>>> indicated for slightly varying geographic areas (overlapping largely,
>>> perhaps, but not identical). If the Crop Locator is further developed, such
>>> precisions may make it more useful.
>>>
>>> I am confident that there is suitable genetics/germplasm of various
>>> millets in the National gene bank for growing in various region of the US.
>>> It is a matter of screening to identify the right one for right location.
>>> This is much easier than getting it done. I have been interested testing
>>> available germplasm of other millets in western Nebraska. But The
>>> limitation is fund. I do not know sources of fund for such research.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dipak
>>>
>>> [cid:image001.png@01D9E256.4E396770]
>>> Dipak Santra, Ph.D.
>>> Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist)
>>> President, International Broomcorn Millet Association
>>> Department of Agronomy and Horticulture
>>> University of Nebraska?Lincoln
>>> Panhandle Research & Extension Center
>>> 4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361
>>> (308) 632-124<tel:3086321372>4 (work) / (308) 765-2324 (cell)
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2023 11:24 AM
>>> To: Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu>; Brenner, David (CTR) - REE-ARS <
>>> david.brenner@usda.gov>
>>> Cc: collab@lists.millets2023.space
>>> Subject: Re: [Collab] Grain teff and proso millet in the US: Rainfed or
>>> irrigated?
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>>> Non-NU Email
>>> ________________________________
>>> Thank you David, Dipak,the information you have provided is most helpful.
>>>
>>> I will reference this discussion (understanding that Dipak may be able to
>>> provide further information on proso), with the principals of the SBSF Crop
>>> Locator project, and copy you both. They are Shravani Basu, Sebastien
>>> Foucaud, and Mukti Sadhan Basu. Results of the correspondence can be shared
>>> with the list.
>>>
>>> Further info on what they found with regard to teff (not mapped), is that
>>> in the Americas they show it succeeding as a food grain crop in southern
>>> Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, some northern parts of Venezuela, Columbia,
>>> Ecuador, Peru, central Bolivia, and northern Argentina. But from their
>>> data, the potential in the US is limited. Yet, it has been grown in parts
>>> of the US for some years. My sense is, that as we consider such secondary
>>> centers of cultivation (i.e., outside of teff's home region in the Horn of
>>> Africa) where teff has been successfully grown for many seasons without
>>> relying on regular irrigation or high inputs, this additional data will
>>> greatly enhance the utility of the crop locator.
>>>
>>> A similar point for other millets such as proso.
>>>
>>> Another angle on this broader issue, taking into account that a lot of
>>> major grain crops are grown in many different agroclimatic zones, is that
>>> of varieties of a crop. It may be that varieties x, y, and z of a
>>> particular millet (whether subspecies or bred crop cultivars) may be
>>> indicated for slightly varying geographic areas (overlapping largely,
>>> perhaps, but not identical). If the Crop Locator is further developed, such
>>> precisions may make it more useful.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the usual caveat here, that this is beyond my expertise. So any
>>> expert comments are invited.
>>>
>>> Best to all,
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>> DO, EL, MI, US
>>> NAMA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:03?PM Dipak Santra <dsantra2@unl.edu<mailto:
>>> dsantra2@unl.edu>> wrote:
>>> Don:
>>>
>>> Commercially production of rainfed proso millet is common in western
>>> Nebraska, easter CO and southwestern SD.
>>>
>>> I will see what specific data I can share with the group. However, I need
>>> the specific details
>>>
>>> Regarding Teff:
>>> I have tested in one year at Scottsbluff ~10 years ago under irrigation
>>> and I had some success. I never tested under dryland condition.
>>>
>>> I know that Stockton, KS had a USDA teff project several years ago. The
>>> person to contact is Edgar Hicks ehicks@cfosystemsllc.com<mailto:
>>> ehicks@cfosystemsllc.com>. You may also contact Teresa Webb, Solomon
>>> Valley RC&D, program assistant, 320 South Sixth St., Stockton, KS 67669,
>>> 785-425-6647. I attached their project report.
>>>
>>> Please, let me know if any questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Dipak
>>>
>>>
>>> [cid:image001.png@01D9DFFE.C38104C0]
>>> Dipak Santra, Ph.D.
>>> Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist)
>>> President, International Broomcorn Millet Association
>>> Department of Agronomy and Horticulture
>>> University of Nebraska?Lincoln
>>> Panhandle Research & Extension Center
>>> 4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361
>>> (308) 632-124<tel:3086321372>4 (work) / (308) 765-2324 (cell)
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Collab <collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:
>>> collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space>> On Behalf Of Brenner, David
>>> (CTR) - REE-ARS via Collab
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 12:22 PM
>>> To: Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org<mailto:don@milletsalliance.org>>;
>>> collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>
>>> Subject: Re: [Collab] [External Email] Grain teff and proso millet in the
>>> US: Rainfed or irrigated?
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>>> ________________________________
>>> Don,
>>>
>>> I am told that grain-teff performs well in the Nebraska high plains.
>>> Many of the millets could be grown across large areas where they are not
>>> grown now.
>>>
>>> It is possible to have widely adapted crops but only local marketing
>>> infrastructure, proportional to small markets.  By infrastructure I include
>>> personalities that find ways to market novel crops.
>>>
>>> David Brenner
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Collab <collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:
>>> collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space>> on behalf of Don Osborn <
>>> don@milletsalliance.org<mailto:don@milletsalliance.org>>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 4, 2023 8:02 PM
>>> To: collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>
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>>> Rainfed or irrigated?
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>>> As discussed briefly on this list this past June,/1 SBSF's Crop Locator
>>> project is developing a tool to map out ideal locations for growing the
>>> various millets for grain. It works from data on where a given crop is
>>> successfully grown (e.g., agroclimatic, soils, altitude), and then finds
>>> locations elsewhere in the world with closely matching characteristics,
>>>
>>> The project included a map for proso millet but not yet for teff. For
>>> proso millet (slide 15 via the link), it's not clear whether US data was
>>> incorporated. However I understand they would be seeking data on locations
>>> only where irrigation is not normally necessary to get a grain harvest.
>>>
>>> https://media.licdn.com/dms/document/media/D4D1FAQGogZwAC2uXpA/feedshare-document-pdf-analyzed/0/1685527749606?e=1694649600&v=beta&t=I_nfAVADp8a7-nBexxxyj8fjzJX_PW_CCf2IXWmF36s
>>> <
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/media.licdn.com/dms/document/media/D4D1FAQGogZwAC2uXpA/feedshare-document-pdf-analyzed/0/1685527749606?e=1694649600&v=beta&t=I_nfAVADp8a7-nBexxxyj8fjzJX_PW_CCf2IXWmF36s__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!C7MI2fHsmOSup5UkpSJjI8cyMGpIMf_0Phm33VjiKVFQLgekOJfLQVQWS0KZGrcDaCSJ4QLXTF-23VplowIEN3ziAFM7ow$
>>>>
>>>
>>> It would be helpful to be able to supply information to the Crop Locator
>>> project about where grain proso is grown, along with data on those
>>> locations.
>>>
>>> Since I understand mapping teff is also foreseen, it would be helpful to
>>> know about whether the teff grown in say Idaho or Nevada is purely rainfed
>>> or relies to one or another extent on irrigation to produce grain.
>>>
>>> I recall on this list in March 2022, Steve DeWitt mentioned his
>>> experiment with rainfed teff for grain in Oklahoma was not successful, but
>>> that another farmer there was successfully growing grain teff with
>>> irrigation./2 Irrigation, as long as there is water available, makes a lot
>>> of things possible, but it would not seem that Oklahoma would be a positive
>>> data point for this grain for the Crop Locator project.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, part of the story of the introduction of teff culture
>>> in the NW US in the early 1980s was that Wayne Carlson saw similarities
>>> between the areas of Ethiopia where he had seen teff grown, and the Snake
>>> River valley./3 So, the question is, over the ensuing years, whether teff
>>> is typically grown there without need for irrigation. If so, this
>>> information might help refine SBSF's data on locations best suited for
>>> grain teff.
>>>
>>> Grain teff is also grown in Minnesota (introduced by Tesfa Drar, also in
>>> the early 1980s),/4 as well as in one operation we know about in Michigan
>>> (Claire Smith, a subscriber to this list, is part of that)./5 So, the
>>> question may end up being, where *can't* grain teff be grown? That kind of
>>> question, in turn, might affect the model used by the mapping project.
>>>
>>> A side note on teff. I've probably mentioned this before, but teff is
>>> also fairly widely grown in the US for animal forage and hay - one source I
>>> don't have at hand suggested it's in half of the US states already.
>>> However, this use is not a focus of the mapping project.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any information,
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>> Don Osborn, PhD
>>> (East Lansing, MI, US)
>>> North American Millets Alliance
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>> 1. https://lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/2023-June/000220.html
>>> <
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/2023-June/000220.html__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!C7MI2fHsmOSup5UkpSJjI8cyMGpIMf_0Phm33VjiKVFQLgekOJfLQVQWS0KZGrcDaCSJ4QLXTF-23VplowIEN3wHqPQ1qw$
>>>>
>>> 2.
>>> https://lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/2022-March/000033.html<
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/2022-March/000033.html__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!C7MI2fHsmOSup5UkpSJjI8cyMGpIMf_0Phm33VjiKVFQLgekOJfLQVQWS0KZGrcDaCSJ4QLXTF-23VplowIEN3wUDm-XOw$
>>>>
>>> 3.
>>> https://www.voanews.com/a/demand-rises-teff-other-alternatives-wheat/3030148.html
>>> <
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.voanews.com/a/demand-rises-teff-other-alternatives-wheat/3030148.html__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!C7MI2fHsmOSup5UkpSJjI8cyMGpIMf_0Phm33VjiKVFQLgekOJfLQVQWS0KZGrcDaCSJ4QLXTF-23VplowIEN3zvg6rdvg$
>>>>
>>> 4. https://tefffarms.com/what-is-teff/<
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tefffarms.com/what-is-teff/__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!C7MI2fHsmOSup5UkpSJjI8cyMGpIMf_0Phm33VjiKVFQLgekOJfLQVQWS0KZGrcDaCSJ4QLXTF-23VplowIEN3w28-xcmw$
>>>>
>>> 5. https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/teffola-the-littlest-grain-that-could<
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.canr.msu.edu/news/teffola-the-littlest-grain-that-could__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!C7MI2fHsmOSup5UkpSJjI8cyMGpIMf_0Phm33VjiKVFQLgekOJfLQVQWS0KZGrcDaCSJ4QLXTF-23VplowIEN3w_iUuUng$
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