I will by no means discourage anyone from producing millet (in the Corn Belt or elsewhere). NAMA and Year of Millets will certainly help others to try millet recipes. If I find out more about Japanese millet currently used in Japan, I will let you know....Gary On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 11:41 AM <collab-request@lists.millets2023.space> wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 13:40:27 -0400 From: Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org> To: Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com> Cc: collab@lists.millets2023.space Subject: Re: [Collab] Echinochloa spp. / Japanese / barnyard (Re: Collab Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21) Message-ID: <CA+RHibVzRo8Guj8zysOVz3PYzPCwGhz25GmoLP-18FqT-= ax8g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Thank you, Gary, for this background. It is always of interest to know more about each others' experience and observations regarding millets (and the contexts in which these grains may or may not be found).
The article by Takahiro Mitsui that you shared is very good and helpful.
I dug up some items online that indirectly address the question of Japanese (barnyard) millet growing in Japan today. First, I'd note that in parts of Asia, at least, there is renewed interest in traditional crops such as millets (see for example Prof. Francesca Bray's presentation about China in the 3rd of our Millets Webinars at https://youtu.be/IUeLldImLzE ; and of course, India is promoting millets on many levels). So, one question I would have for Prof. Mitsui would be whether there is a similar recent trend beginning anywhere in Japan, especially with the International Year of Millets.
The links are:
1. A 17 grain product on the Echigo Ojiya Takano site, in which "Japanese barnyard millet" is listed among the ingredients. (That list is a little confusing as millet or millets are listed 3 times in English translation.) https://takano-niigata.co.jp/english/products/seventeen-grain-rice/
2. A "Japanese barnyard millet" product apparently from Japan (altho this particular item is currently out of stock): https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/dp/B017GKDDTG
3. A farm in Nagano prefecture (more or less in the middle of Honshu island), where "Japanese barnyard millet had been cultivated for a long time" (along with some other crops): It's not clear when that apparently ended or if it's being cultivated now apart from their current main crop: http://furutanosato.starfree.jp/top_english.htm
All these, of course, are in English translation, so I suspect that a well crafted search in Japanese might turn up more.
Regarding Michigan and this part of North America, I have no particular expectations, and appreciate your cautions about millets in this region. Still I'm thinking that it is useful to investigate selected millets as potential additional "alternative crops" in the interest of more food-crop diversity.
There is much to learn and I appreciate your engaging in the process.
All the best,
Don
DO, EL, MI, US NAMA
On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 10:51?PM Gary Wietgrefe <gww374@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to fill you in on my experience in Japan where I lived for a year and a half (1973-1975). My brother also lived in Japan for ten years and his wife, my sister-in-law (for the past 49 years) is a Japanese farmer's daughter from the southern island prefecture of Fukuoka. First, I lived in southeast Aomori Prefecture and bicycled often through the mountainous countryside. Never once did I see any millet planted in fields. I was in the U.S. Air Force at the time and we were encouraged to employ Japanese women, mostly farmers' wives, to clean our rooms, laundry and do odd chores. My room was only 6'x8' but I had my mama-san, clean my room twice per week which was economical even on my enlisted pay. Keep in mind, I was there about twenty years after WWII occupation and yet that was still a poor area of Japan. Our mama-sans tended fields of (transplanted) rice and tobacco, and beautiful vegetable fields during the growing season and lived in small one-room, wooden-sided (assuming wood heated) one-level homes. My sister-in-law was from a large farming family and had three brothers. While my brother and her lived on Fukuoka (here island) for six years, each year my brother would help her aging father and mother harvest bamboo shoots in spring, and rice, and mikan oranges in the fall. When I asked my brother and his wife, Chifumi, if she ate Japanese millet in Japan, she responded a hardy "No.!" They did not grow nor harvest Japanese millet. I'm told that is a traditional millet of mountainous areas of northern Japan. Attached is a link my brother sent which I think you will find astounding as to why Japanese do not eat (poor man's food) millet to this day. Chifumi read the attached article and fully agreed with it. She went on to say when she was young (born in 1950--three years after WWII) they, like area farmers, were very poor. They raised rice (for sale) and barley. When she was school age, her mom would send her to school with barely mixed with rice as her lunch. She was ashamed because they could not afford to eat pure rice like some of the other students so she ate with others that had barely/rice meals. Although my sister-in-law is extremely talented in many areas, including art, she loves to cook and bake. She received a degree from a high-end culinary school a decade ago. Recruited to work in restaurants, instead she is on her 11th year making (mostly) pastries for a Colorado homeless shelter. To this day, she will not eat barely nor cook with it. Perhaps a younger generation of Japanese will again accept the health benefits of millet, the post-war stigma will not be overcome for those over sixty. Please review this article on the demise of Japanese millet between 1950 and 1965. See A decrease in eating barnyard millet in Iwate prefecture: a literature review of Iwate no Hoken (hygiene in Iwate) | Journal of Ethnic Foods | Full Text (biomedcentral.com) < https://journalofethnicfoods.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s42779-020-0...
. You suggest Michigan for growing Japanese millet, but please keep in mind there are many corn and wheat herbicides (e.g. quinclorac, glyphosate, flucarbazone) designed to kill barnyard grass (Echinochloa crus-galli). As I explained before, millets in the Corn Belt are weeds!!!!
I look forward to learning more about Japanese millet....Gary Wietgrefe
On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 10:03?AM Don Osborn <don@milletsalliance.org> wrote:
Thank you, Gary, for your answers and thoughts on barnyard millets (Echinochloa spp.).
Re #1, I am finding various recent literature, using the terms "Indian barnyard millet" (E. frumentacea) and "Japanese barnyard millet" (E. esculenta), so it would make sense to continue to use these. More on those sources in a later post on barnyard millet(s) as "millet-of-the-month" for July.
Re nos. 2 & 3: I hope to share more info on Japanese barnyard millet in Japan. You are right, of course, that arable land in Japan is not abundant, and what land is devoted to agriculture has other priorities. However, my limited understanding is that some areas are more suited to millets than rice culture. Also, if there is a cultural importance to this minor crop, one imagines it would be a niche that some farmers would find profitable. More later.
Re #4, I am thinking of Japanese barnyard millet (grown for grain) only as a potential alternative crop in the more humid Great Lakes region, for example. Only two small problems: availability of a food-grade variety suitable for the region, and lack of a market (domestic or international). So this is long range musing.
I wouldn't expect Michigan to compete with the plains states on production of proso millet or sorghum. Some growers may find success with either of these (seeking examples), but it's something like the one farm in the state growing grain teff (truly still an alternative crop in the US, even if it is established in parts of the northwest of the country) that gets attention and finds a niche market (in this case via association with the Teffola brand line of products) So maybe that's the route for other selected small millets here and in North America in general?
Finally, re #5 (distro of the two Echinochloa spp. in North America), I do also find US sources for Indian barnyard millet / billion dollar grass / "Japanese millet" (again that name) meaning E. frumentacea: *
https://seedvilleusa.com/products/150-japanese-millet-billion-dollar-grass-g...
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https://www.amkhaseed.com/products/millet-japanese-echinochloa-frumentacea
(altho the company is now apparently in a transition)
Regarding distribution, Flora of North America has this page on E. frumentacea (Indian BYM), noting that "It is found occasionally in the contiguous United States and southern Canada, the primary source being birdseed mixes." http://floranorthamerica.org/Echinochloa_frumentacea
Compare with this page on their site about E. esculenta (Japanese BYM). Apparently they see much less distribution: http://floranorthamerica.org/Echinochloa_esculenta
Hopefully David Brenner can weigh in on this.
All the best,
Don
DO, EL, MI, US NAMA
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 2:09?AM Gary Wietgrefe via Collab < collab@lists.millets2023.space> wrote:
I appreciate your map comments. Here are my simple responses: 1. Yes, "Japanese" millet is problematic without scientific names. Indian barnyard millet (E. frumentacea) seems like a nice clarification and Japanese barnyard millet (E. esculenta) the common one planted in the U.S. mainly for non-seed harvesting would make references easier. 2. I highly doubt much millet of any kind is grown in Japan. See my 1989 comments about U.S. exports to Japan (p-.91-92 in Proso Millet: A Trade Summary) and Argentine millet exports to Japan (pg. 120). 3. Japan has probably been importing millet shortly after WWII occupation. Farmland is so valuable, and millet relatively an economical import that Japan would find it much more economical to import. About twenty years ago when I was testing various millets for ethanol, Japanese were most interested in glutenous proso rather than common proso millet. I've never seen a request in Japan for Japanese millet, however, I have been out of that loop way too long to be knowledgeable about Japanese millet imports. Like other countries, Japan millet imports are very likely used as a rice substitute/supplement. 4. Can Japanese barnyard millet be grown in the U.S./Canada (more humid areas) and harvested for seed for human consumption? Sure it can. But, what is possible is often unlikely. Why? Japanese barnyard millet produced in any Corn Belt state would likely be discriminated against for the same reason proso millet is not grown in the Corn Belt. First, it is not price competitive with corn or soybeans. Secondly, and most importantly, volunteer Japanese barnyard millet would be construed to be a "barnyard" grassy weed, or potential one--just like proso millet is confused by agronomists and farmers in the Corn Belt with wild proso millet. To me, their ignorance is astounding about proso for grain. I know. Traveling around the country as an agronomist, I've had those discussions. I wasted breath. However, those using millets, including Japanese, in cover crops and wildlife plots have spread beyond southeastern U.S., but we can assume it is mixed with other seed species with very very little harvested for grain. 5. Are both E. frumentacea and E. esculenta grown throughout the U.S.? My assumption is NO. Based on seed suppliers, at least ones that list the type of Japanese millet (i.e. Johnston Seed), I must assume E. esculenta may be the only type used.
I am not an expert on Japanese millet and look forward to July's discussions....Gary
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Thank you, Gary, this is helpful.
I have the impression that the appellation Echinochloa crus-galli (var.) frumentacea is fairly old, so any confusion would not be your fault. A USDA guide has it listed as an "alternate" scientific name for E. esculenta./1 On the other hand, the GRIN database has this same name as a synonym for E. frumentacea,/2 The scientific namespace for these species is challenging, so as not to say confusing. However, the various and sometimes overlapping common name usages are even more so, with that of "Japanese millet" seeming to me to be particularly problematic (as a sometimes catch-all)
I personally (again, without claiming any expertise) found it useful to think of the two lines as "Japanese barnyard millet" (E. esculenta) and "Indian barnyard millet" (E. frumentacea)./3 /4 The latter seems to be produced for food, primarily in India, much more than the former, but in the US is sometimes called "billion dollar grass."
In the US, as you point out in your book,/5 and which I noted also in the USDA descriptions,/1 /6 these species are grown primarily for forage and wildlife. It looks like the seed that you note is available in the US from Johnston Seeds and Specialty Seeds, is mainly intended for these uses.
As far as I can tell, most "barnyard millet" in food products is Indian barnyard millet (E. frumentacea), and is produced and packaged in India./7 One would assume that food grade Japanese barnyard millet (E. esculenta) is still cultivated in parts of Japan. It is apparently also grown in Europe for grain for food,/8 /9 although it's hard to be certain about the species. I'm personally wondering if food grade E. esculenta might be a potential crop for the conditions of the more humid areas of northern US and southern Canada./10
Finally, a couple of comments about the map (fig. 20) on p. 201 of your book/5 (a copy of the map is attached). First, it is helpful to have such overview maps of millets in North America, even though this is now over 3 decades old. Second, I'm noting from your source for Japanese millet's placement on the map, that even though this millet may be most grown in the SE US, it is also present across the continental US. I'd be curious to know how its distribution compares, say, with E. frumentacea (to the extent one can be clear that names in different sources are being used in a consistent way).
Anyway, that's a lot more detail than I had intended to get into. However, it's useful to try to clarify some of the nomenclature and verify that there are indeed two main cultivated species of Echinochloa, before we get to talking about "barnyard millet(s)" as millet-of-the-month in July.
All the best, Don
DO, EL, MI, US NAMA
Notes: 1. See the USDA plant guide for E. esculenta - both under alternate names and a couple of the references dating to the 1980s: https://plants.usda.gov/DocumentLibrary/plantguide/pdf/pg_eces.pdf 2. USDA GRIN database "Taxon: Echinochloa frumentacea (Echinochloa colona Frumentacea Group)" https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/taxon/taxonomydetail?id=14828 3. The following recent article also uses this common name distinction, in the context of a very useful survey of the two "complexes," along with a third of lesser importance that I may return to later: Renganathan VG, Vanniarajan C, Karthikeyan A, Ramalingam J. "Barnyard Millet for Food and Nutritional Security: Current Status and Future Research Direction." Frontiers in Genetics. 2020 Jun 23;11:500. https://doi.org/10.3389%2Ffgene.2020.00500 PMID: 32655612; PMCID: PMC7325689. 4. The USDA GRIN database also lists these common names, citing a 1992 article by H. Scholz in Taxon https://doi.org/10.2307/1222824 . From the GRIN page on Echinochloa, at
https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/cropdetail?type=species&id=224
, go to the pages for E. esculenta and E. frumentacea and select the tab "Common names" to see. 5. I downloaded it from
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284179184_How_to_Produce_Proso_Mill...
6. See discussion in the context of one particular variety of E. frumentacea at https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/plantmaterials/mspmcrb13988.pdf 7. https://www.pinterest.com/drdonosborn/millets-plural/barnyard-millet/ 8. For example, "Japanese barnyard millet grits" from a Lithuanian farm (per "Place of Origin") https://www.urbanfood.lt/en/japanese-millet-grits-500-g 9. An interesting survey in French of millets in France, posted on LinkedIn by Philippe Pointereau, mentions "millet japonais (Echinochloa frumentacea)," but without clarity as to whether and for what this is cultivated there:
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7075488061702168576/
10. Interestingly, Michigan Flora notes E. esculenta in the wild - "occasionally cultivated and escaped" - in two counties in the SW of the state: https://michiganflora.net/record/2869 11. Mitchell, Wilma A. 1989. Japanese millet ("Echinochloa Crusgalli" var. "frumentacea") : Section 7.1.6, US Army Corps of Engineers wildlife resources management manual https://erdc-library.erdc.dren.mil/jspui/handle/11681/7217
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:05?AM Joni Kindwall-Moore < joni@snacktivistfoods.com> wrote:
Thanks Gary
On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 4:13?PM Gary Wietgrefe via Collab < collab@lists.millets2023.space> wrote:
> More on Japanese millet: > In the back of my 1990 book, *How to Produce Proso Millet: A Farmer's > Guide,* I describe several other millets that had been grown in the > U.S., Japanese millet was one (pp. 197-198). Perhaps I led to some of the > confusion as I subtitled the category Echinochloa Crusgalli/Frumentacea. > In the 1980s, a South Dakota seed company tried to grow Japanese millet, > I assume Echinochloa esculenta, for seed. It was not a particularly good > year for crops in general and my field inspection indicated it was not as > drought hardy as proso or foxtail millets we customarily grow at this > latitude. The seed company, which sold out twenty years ago, did not try to > grow it again (to my knowledge). > Lastly, there is production of Japanese millet, Echinochloa esculenta, in > the U.S. See link to Johnson Seed Company, Enid, OK which offers 50 lb/bags > for $57.00 (=$1.14 lb. for seed) which seems reasonable JAPANESE MILLET > - Johnston Seed Company > <https://www.johnstonseed.com/product/japanese-millet/>. Southeast Seed > Inc., Trenton, FL also offers Japanese millet for sale Home - Southeast > Seed Inc <https://southeastseed.com/> as does Speciality Seed Co. out of > Anguilla, MS Japanese Millet - Specialty Seed > <https://specialtyseed.com/japanese-millet/>. > > I hope this provides some clarification....Gary Wietgrefe > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 12:50?PM < collab-request@lists.millets2023.space> > wrote: > >> Send Collab mailing list submissions to >> collab@lists.millets2023.space >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.millets2023.space/mailman/listinfo/collab >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> collab-request@lists.millets2023.space >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> collab-owner@lists.millets2023.space >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Collab digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Echinocloa spp. / Japanese / barnyard (Re: National Public >> Radio on millets, June 8, 2023) (Don Osborn) >>
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